2012-05-30, 21:43 | Link #42 | |
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I mean he could threaten to kill Kabuto before Itachi can make him cancel Edo Tensei or catch his attention by by making him feel guilty about the way he treated him. I wonder what Sasuke would do if he knew what Naruto knowa about Tobi. Tobi is the one who tried to destroy Konoha with Kyuubi and let the Uchiha clan take the blame for his own deed. Itachi already told him that but Tobi lied and said it was a natural disaster. What if that is all it takes to end Sasuke's genocidal bloodlust? Learning the truth about Tobi's plot. There should be more to it than that. Like maybe Sasuke comes to terms with the fact that Tobi is using him for his world domination plans and recognizes the greater good. But he seems to be too obsessed with revenge to think clearly like that.
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2012-05-31, 00:22 | Link #44 | |
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also, you are not taking into account the fundamentals of this type of storytelling. perfect susano'o is meant to be a big deal as the culmination of the edo madara fight and the climax of this chapter. it's not something we have seen before or that would be anti-climactic and against the grain of these animes like naruto that constantly build on powers and show us new ones or improved versions. wanting a certain part of the story to pause or end in lieu of another part and then not being satisfied with what you asked for is not criticism. calling this chapter "kage fanservice" is not criticism, it's complaining, and imo it's unwarranted. the fight is going pretty much as should have been expected. it's a brutal fight in which we all knew the kages didn't have much left to give but their willpowers. |
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2012-05-31, 10:31 | Link #45 | |
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I thought though that it was a Madara clone that put the Raikage under a genjutsu. The real Madara to me appear to have the Rinnengan activated for the entire chapter. I am surprised that the Kages weren't slaughtered and managed to defeat 25 susano'o wielding madara clones (and almost the real madara at that).
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2012-05-31, 13:01 | Link #46 |
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hate to tell you this... what we learned is other than oonoki. the kaga aint shit. all that feel good talk didnt take down madara did it. and gaara and the mei started the chapt crying about how powerful mardara was, not too mention what madara did to the raikage. the truth is without oonoki the kaga would have been beat down even more than they were. who thinks another prep talk is gonna stop madara now with this final perfect susannoo. final point is the kaga cannot beat him and its all up to itachi period.
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2012-05-31, 14:20 | Link #47 | |
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2012-05-31, 17:16 | Link #49 | |
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That and Sasuke already stated that Itachi was perfect. You cant argue with the sauce. |
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2012-05-31, 19:21 | Link #50 | ||
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Madara has kept the Rinnegan activated all along, it was one of his clone who did this. |
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2012-05-31, 21:49 | Link #51 | |
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But there is no real way I could see there being any major continuation after the events of the war. Anything else just seems kinda weak in comparison. Yeah we could get a few chapters of timeskip to see the effects narutism has had on the world, but I don't really see another arc after tobi is defeated (aside from the moon's eye one i said above). Though I would absolutely love to see a big timeskip, maybe a couple centuries, and show the effects time has had on narutism. To see if his philosophy and deeds are maintained and upheld with time or just regarded as fantastical legend like the Sage of the Six Paths. Which, tbh I would love to see a more cynical ending. As in everyone who knew naruto, who was part of his philosophy, the lives he touched, when they die off, his impact dies with them and the shinobi way starts again. Kishi would never do that though, so oh well. |
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2012-05-31, 22:47 | Link #52 |
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The story has the opportunity to go real dark before the end with Madara actually succeeding with his plan. (He seemed to be okay with having only part of the Hachibi's chakra, so maybe he could give an incomplete moon a shot) I could sort of see the war lost, Sasuke fought Naruto to a stalemate and sees what happens under the moon's eye influence and doesn't like it. He doesn't have to turn good straight away.
I dare hope that's the direction we're going. Kishi surprised me with the destruction of Konoha and I hope he pulls a similarly awesome move to turn this war on its head.. It has been feeling exceedingly one-sided so far.
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true it is my claim and true it was a clone, but the fact that a clone did it doesn't mean it wasn't madara using EMS to perform the genjutsu which is all I was saying. also, the artwork suggests my claim imho. the bottom panels of page 8 clearly show the EMS at work casting the genjutsu. and then the right middle panel of the last page shows the rinnegan at work casting perfect susano'o. of course this could just be argued to be madara at work, but that is like saying it was itachi who manifested susano'o, not his MS, which I do not agree with. it is both the ninja and the abilities of the eye they possess. I think it stands to reason that if madara needed EMS to use perfect susano'o then that would be the eye he used to do it, we've seen him use both during this fight, it's not like he has a permanent rinnegan |
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2012-06-01, 11:29 | Link #58 | ||
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I'd like to give credit to this idea really, I always thought it would be great to make Tobi succeed so Naruto and a few others would be turned into the rebellion forced to hide and fight former comrades and the entire might of the ninja world so they would be the underdog for a change.
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... Are you drunk? Look it's really that simple what you're doing is a simple logical fallacy, correlation does not imply causation. Your entire argument lies with the fact that Madara has the Rinnegan activated when he use his perfect Susanoo (and your incorrect belief that he had switched between the EMS/Rinnegan to use Genjutsu), the problem is that Madara has had the Rinnegan activated non-stop since the last 28 chapters including when he used partial Susanoo or Mokuton, does that mean that partial Susanoo and Mokuto are Rinnegan power? Of course not. The fact that Madara being a Rikudou translates in more power which translate in turn in more powerful jutsu is not in question but it doesn't imply in no shape or form that the jutsu he uses have to necessitate the Rinnegan particulary for jutsu known to operate without it. Quote:
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2012-06-01, 13:42 | Link #60 |
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so she helped. its not as if she could have taken him on her own. she hasnt done nearly as much to slow down madara next to oonoki and the justu he has. he is the only one whose type of ninjustsu is brothersome to madara.(madara pretty much said that in this chapt) you noticed he didnt target tsunada.....hmm i wonder why.
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