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Miles Teg · 2006-10-08, 07:27

Status of Rozen Maiden in France.

Created by Peach-Pit
Published by Gentosha Comics, Inc.
Serialized in Comic Birz
Translated by Soleil Manga

Vol. 1 - 22/03/2006 - ISBN : 2849463647 - EAN : 9782849463642 (7,50 €)
Vol. 2 - 26/04/2006 - ISBN : 2849464090 - EAN : 9782849464090 (7,50 €)
Vol. 3 - 21/06/2006 - ISBN : 2849464740 - EAN : 9782849464748 (7,50 €)
Vol. 4 - 06/09/2006 - ISBN : 2849465550 - EAN : 9782849465554 (7,50 €)
Vol. 5 - 21/02/2007 - ISBN : 2849466298 - EAN : 9782849466292 (7,50 €)
Vol. 6 - 20/07/2007 - ISBN : 2849468355 - EAN : 9782849468357 (7,50 €)
Vol. 7 - TBA

Lost · 2006-10-08, 07:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by BonBon

When this whole 'Desu~ must live!' thing was blowing up, I suggested that perhaps they should 'translate' desu~ by having 'That's how it is-u~' on the end of sentences. The suggestion didn't go down very well!

Lol personally I feel that if they are willing to do what you said then they might as well add three more letters to make it desu~. Anyway where did you suggest that?

Choki · 2006-10-09, 09:03

Why is Shinku on every single cover of the manga for the french version O_O!

the.Merines · 2006-10-09, 09:54

I was wondering that myself... At leas Tokyopop in NA has kept the same covers as the Japan releases thus far.

Jekyll · 2006-10-09, 10:04

Probably because she is on every japanese cover too. I admit it is a bit curious that it is just her and noone else. Not that I would mind looking at just her herself... Not at all.

Still better than the German ones in my opinion...

Spoiler for covers of the German edition:

Those are cut-outs from the japanese covers with the mood turned backwards by switching the background.

Choki · 2006-10-09, 10:18

Let me rephrase it abit xD Why is there a solo Shinku pic on every single cover of the French version?Add Gin-sama! Add Hina-Ichigo!

Im still waiting for my book 5 and 6...they said it will be here by this week...i cant wait =(

chrno_the_sinner · 2006-10-12, 03:44

I don't recall the fansubs having ~desu in the first place. Everyone just heard it and figured out the personality quirk. There's really no real way to translate it. It's one of the aspects of Japanese that gets lost in translation (like politeness levels and such). Speaking styles just don't come across well in written english. When they bring the anime over, I'm sure Sui will get a "snobby-yet-cute" voice to match her character. And reading over Suiseiseki's lines in the TP manga, the "Yes"s are cut back and relatively make sense in context (ie: "I hate humans.... Yes." and "We'll make the impish [TP's tranlation/adaptation of Chibi Ningen is Imp] tree bloom.... Yes?") There has to be some degree of adaptation to make the story flow better.

When things like ~desu or ~ttebayo are translated into english, they tend to not sound well. Obviously, Naruto comes into play. When he started saying "Believe it" there was a HUGE fan outcry, most of them not realizing it was just a translation of ~ttebayo which occured much more frequently in the Japanese.

As for the manga itself, so far I'm liking it, except for the poorly drawn chibi designs. It was a problem I had in DearS too.

the.Merines · 2006-10-12, 07:51

Yeah, it seems like that's a Peach-Pit habit. As for desu, there are some cases where such mannerisms are left in. For example, in DearS Nia's "-ni" is left in. Why ni and not desu? Who knows.

chrno_the_sinner · 2006-10-12, 09:03

I think it's because desu is a part of Japanese speach as is. nyo, ni and such can be left untranslated because they don't really have a meaning. I've also seen some where they substituted the english equivalent (like Ribbit instead of kero and meow instead of nya. Desu just doesn't translate well to anything.

the.Merines · 2006-10-12, 11:07

I guess we should just be glad it gets translated at all. Now if TP would only release the anime...

Ratix · 2006-10-13, 06:14

Hmmm There seem to be another version of the manga poping around? I looked around and another called "TV Edition" has seemed to poped up...

NeoSam · 2006-10-15, 15:23

Volume 7 of Rozen Maiden manga got out in September 2006 (in Japan).

Here it's cover:

Seinen manga
Serialized in: Comic Birz

I added the cover in this post with all the other covers of Rozen Maiden manga.

the.Merines · 2006-10-15, 20:59

^My copy should be here shortly...

Ratix, I believe there is a season 1 animanga which chronicles the episodes using images from them. It's really just a way to make money...

Hitsugaya Whirl · 2006-10-17, 16:13

YES! I have up to vol. 5 now. In Chinese :3

Cinnabon-chan · 2006-10-27, 14:49

I still keep thinking Rozen Maiden as being pretty shoju, like, it's about dolls, gothic lolita and pretty feminine things...........and while there are pleanty of bishouju, they arn#t really the sexy fanservicy types (certainly nothing like the ones in DearS, if you read Rozen Maiden for more Ren and Mius, you're going to be disapointed.) But kudos for Peach Pit for making it okay for boys like me to like dolls. (I always have anyway, lol.)

Anyways.......does anyone have the dates for the Tokyopop mangas? I wait hopefully by the new manga section at Gosh or Forbidden Planet, lurking for Rozen Maiden 3.........but to no avail.

Kensuke · 2006-10-28, 04:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cinnabon-chan

Anyways.......does anyone have the dates for the Tokyopop mangas? I wait hopefully by the new manga section at Gosh or Forbidden Planet, lurking for Rozen Maiden 3.........but to no avail.

http://www.tokyopop.com/S-1565/3.html

Volume 3 will be out January 9th 2007. I'm liking the manga so far.

Cinnabon-chan · 2006-10-28, 16:16

Arrrrrrrrgh? That long?

I just want the manga to introduce Kanaria soon.......but that won't be happening. January? Three months meow!

Lost · 2006-10-29, 06:49

Gah that is long. At least with have a date. I wont irritate the manga-shop-guy anymore.

yslimed · 2006-10-30, 03:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratix

Hmmm There seem to be another version of the manga poping around? I looked around and another called "TV Edition" has seemed to poped up...

yeah.. i saw it too.. wad is tat?

Cinnabon-chan · 2006-10-30, 06:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by yslimed

yeah.. i saw it too.. wad is tat?

Is it like the cine-mangas you see, like they just take pictures of the anime epesodes, and make it into a manga? (I remember gaspign when I saw a Haibane Renmai manga, and was very disapointed to see it was a cine-manga instead.)

Hmm...........I remember Del-ray kept the "Hitzuten" in xxxHolic, and simply gave a description of it at the end, since there is no real english equivlient of the word.

2006-10-08, 07:27	Link #41
Miles Teg Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Le Mans, France	Status of Rozen Maiden in France. Created by Peach-Pit Published by Gentosha Comics, Inc. Serialized in Comic Birz Translated by Soleil Manga Vol. 1 - 22/03/2006 - ISBN : 2849463647 - EAN : 9782849463642 (7,50 €) Vol. 2 - 26/04/2006 - ISBN : 2849464090 - EAN : 9782849464090 (7,50 €) Vol. 3 - 21/06/2006 - ISBN : 2849464740 - EAN : 9782849464748 (7,50 €) Vol. 4 - 06/09/2006 - ISBN : 2849465550 - EAN : 9782849465554 (7,50 €) Vol. 5 - 21/02/2007 - ISBN : 2849466298 - EAN : 9782849466292 (7,50 €) Vol. 6 - 20/07/2007 - ISBN : 2849468355 - EAN : 9782849468357 (7,50 €) Vol. 7 - TBA Last edited by Miles Teg; 2007-04-05 at 10:33.

2006-10-09, 09:54	Link #44
the.Merines Seeker of Power Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: ΔHidden Forbidden Holy Ground Age: 39	I was wondering that myself... At leas Tokyopop in NA has kept the same covers as the Japan releases thus far. __________________ I am bound to pay the debt I owe.

2006-10-12, 07:51	Link #48
the.Merines Seeker of Power Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: ΔHidden Forbidden Holy Ground Age: 39	Yeah, it seems like that's a Peach-Pit habit. As for desu, there are some cases where such mannerisms are left in. For example, in DearS Nia's "-ni" is left in. Why ni and not desu? Who knows. __________________ I am bound to pay the debt I owe.

2006-10-12, 11:07	Link #50
the.Merines Seeker of Power Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: ΔHidden Forbidden Holy Ground Age: 39	I guess we should just be glad it gets translated at all. Now if TP would only release the anime... __________________ I am bound to pay the debt I owe.

2006-10-15, 15:23	Link #52
NeoSam Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Age: 43	Volume 7 of Rozen Maiden manga got out in September 2006 (in Japan). Here it's cover: Seinen manga Serialized in: Comic Birz I added the cover in this post with all the other covers of Rozen Maiden manga. __________________

2006-10-09, 09:03	Link #43
Choki I believe i can fly Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Where am i anyway....	Why is Shinku on every single cover of the manga for the french version O_O!

2006-10-09, 10:04	Link #45
Jekyll Rozen Detective Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Germany Age: 40	Probably because she is on every japanese cover too. I admit it is a bit curious that it is just her and noone else. Not that I would mind looking at just her herself... Not at all. Still better than the German ones in my opinion... Spoiler for covers of the German edition: Those are cut-outs from the japanese covers with the mood turned backwards by switching the background.

2006-10-09, 10:18	Link #46
Choki I believe i can fly Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Where am i anyway....	Let me rephrase it abit xD Why is there a solo Shinku pic on every single cover of the French version?Add Gin-sama! Add Hina-Ichigo! Im still waiting for my book 5 and 6...they said it will be here by this week...i cant wait =(

2006-10-12, 03:44	Link #47
chrno_the_sinner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004	I don't recall the fansubs having ~desu in the first place. Everyone just heard it and figured out the personality quirk. There's really no real way to translate it. It's one of the aspects of Japanese that gets lost in translation (like politeness levels and such). Speaking styles just don't come across well in written english. When they bring the anime over, I'm sure Sui will get a "snobby-yet-cute" voice to match her character. And reading over Suiseiseki's lines in the TP manga, the "Yes"s are cut back and relatively make sense in context (ie: "I hate humans.... Yes." and "We'll make the impish [TP's tranlation/adaptation of Chibi Ningen is Imp] tree bloom.... Yes?") There has to be some degree of adaptation to make the story flow better. When things like ~desu or ~ttebayo are translated into english, they tend to not sound well. Obviously, Naruto comes into play. When he started saying "Believe it" there was a HUGE fan outcry, most of them not realizing it was just a translation of ~ttebayo which occured much more frequently in the Japanese. As for the manga itself, so far I'm liking it, except for the poorly drawn chibi designs. It was a problem I had in DearS too.

2006-10-12, 09:03	Link #49
chrno_the_sinner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004	I think it's because desu is a part of Japanese speach as is. nyo, ni and such can be left untranslated because they don't really have a meaning. I've also seen some where they substituted the english equivalent (like Ribbit instead of kero and meow instead of nya. Desu just doesn't translate well to anything.

2006-10-13, 06:14	Link #51
Ratix Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Age: 35	Hmmm There seem to be another version of the manga poping around? I looked around and another called "TV Edition" has seemed to poped up...

2006-10-15, 20:59	Link #53
the.Merines Seeker of Power Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: ΔHidden Forbidden Holy Ground Age: 39	^My copy should be here shortly... Ratix, I believe there is a season 1 animanga which chronicles the episodes using images from them. It's really just a way to make money... __________________ I am bound to pay the debt I owe.

2006-10-17, 16:13	Link #54
Hitsugaya Whirl Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	YES! I have up to vol. 5 now. In Chinese :3

2006-10-27, 14:49	Link #55
Cinnabon-chan Wilde Changeling Childe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: London	I still keep thinking Rozen Maiden as being pretty shoju, like, it's about dolls, gothic lolita and pretty feminine things...........and while there are pleanty of bishouju, they arn#t really the sexy fanservicy types (certainly nothing like the ones in DearS, if you read Rozen Maiden for more Ren and Mius, you're going to be disapointed.) But kudos for Peach Pit for making it okay for boys like me to like dolls. (I always have anyway, lol.) Anyways.......does anyone have the dates for the Tokyopop mangas? I wait hopefully by the new manga section at Gosh or Forbidden Planet, lurking for Rozen Maiden 3.........but to no avail.

2006-10-28, 16:16	Link #57
Cinnabon-chan Wilde Changeling Childe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: London	Arrrrrrrrgh? That long? I just want the manga to introduce Kanaria soon.......but that won't be happening. January? Three months meow!

2006-10-29, 06:49	Link #58
Lost Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	Gah that is long. At least with have a date. I wont irritate the manga-shop-guy anymore.