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I'm very thankful that Amane spoke out against this mindwipe/no families business, because otherwise I'd be totally weirded out at nobody taking moral umbrage over this.
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2013-05-17, 00:13 | Link #362 | |
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2013-05-17, 00:17 | Link #363 | |
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2013-05-17, 00:25 | Link #364 |
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The MJP children got their memory wiped but still have the genetically altered potential and still retain whatever unique skill they have during childhood. That's more-or-less the same thing with the Extendeds. It's basically "wipe the unnecessary memories and keep the skill so they'll be more focused" method. And don't forget that the druggies and Extendeds get their memories about their past wiped clean before becoming pilots, just like MJP kids.
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2013-05-17, 00:46 | Link #365 | |
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They mention that there is a difference between students of the MJP and others but we really see none of that. That act just like any other regular characters/mecha pilots . Even their supposed "survival skills" have really yet to be seen. Also, that has nothing to do with their mental states which is what having a wiped memory would affect. Unlike those others, these kids aren't being conditioned or trained to not feel or not to regret, or anything like that. They are acting just like regular kids, they are trained like regular cadets, they even give them leave and time off so they can relax. This completely goes against the so-called conditioning that supposedly makes them into perfect soldiers so that they don't have regrets. They are now making new memories, and friends and connections, so why couldn't they keep the ones they had? Especially when the ones they have as children stabilize them as teenagers, and later as adults?
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2013-05-17, 02:16 | Link #368 | |
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I think mind wipe might be not just needed, but arguably more humane as well. |
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2013-05-17, 03:14 | Link #369 |
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That is true, but it was decided before they were given to foster families that they were going to be put into the military, because as of this point the children are being genetically engineered for not just space life, but for battle as well.
They didn't just pick kids and kidnap them. The families that had them knew they had to give them up at the age of 12. My question, is why disrupt a teen's mental health even more than it already is by thrusting them into war at an early age, by erasing the only peaceful memories they have? You're years as a child are extremely important and without them you begin floundering with no place to call your own or really belong. What would happen if you didn't get a team like Rabbits or Doberman with no friends or colleagues. You would have nothing. Nothing but yourself and war. Would you trust someone like that, especially a teen with already raging emotions, out there on the battlefield?
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2013-05-17, 03:39 | Link #370 |
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That's where are you wrong. They were engineered for space live only. Having potential good well in space battles is mere direct result of it. When program started noone even knew about aliens existence yet.
But when war started they it was decided transfer and train them for military use. |
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Also, if the smarter characters like Rin and Amane are questioning the validity of the MJP program and the wiping of students minds and breeding children for battle, then what they are doing can't be humane. The higher ups like that idiot vice-commander see them as products owned by the military. And Rin has stated specifically that they were genetically engineered to become soldiers. So, I think it did start out as being non-military, but is has be streamlined by this point to being all military. At this point even the students know their backgrounds and that they were born and bred for war.
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2013-05-17, 04:21 | Link #372 |
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Anyway, I’m also interested with the crystals the Wulgarus equipped on their bracelets. It seems like some kind of drugs since they look a bit “high” for a minute when they put them on (Theoria’s “high” face before she grabbed that story book in episode 3 comes to mind).
Also, I suspect all of the new systems introduced recently by Simon (JURIA system, ASHMB, etc) had something to do with leaked Wulgaru technology or at least related to Theoria considering how Simon was speaking to her with full-respect back in episode 2 when they’re watching Fail 5 doing their mission together. Theoria could be a Wulgaru who supports Simon & MJP behind the scene.
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2013-05-17, 04:45 | Link #373 | |
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Differen't matter would be kids that are babies up three or four years of age, if military used same approach with them (which isn't entirely impossible) you would be right. And of course Rin and other would question that, whole issue is moraly gray if not already black. What I said about being humane that mind wiping MIGHT BE KINDER than rip children off from their parrents send them to battle Last edited by Tenzen12; 2013-05-17 at 05:58. |
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Well the Humans and Wulgur will have a hard time finding common ground.
While Humans aren't all saints it is that thin veneer of civilization that keeps us from utterly destroying ourselves. The Wulgur don't have the same moral restraints. I can see the reason why the Wulgur target other races every 300 years. Without an outlet for their aggressive instincts they will turn upon each other. Human instinct to socialize which result to altruism and other such emotions are part of out survival instinct as a species. So MJP or Simon is counting on Team Rabbits and the Juria system survival instincts to beat Wulgur's base instincts. |
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My main point is that if people are piloting a typical Gundam (or any non-JURAI-based mecha, really), then mind-wiping them is of dubious and questionable worth. It should be noted that even those druggies you mentioned ultimately didn't do all that well when put up against elite, non-mindwiped opponents.
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I'm starting to wonder if the mind-wipe thing will turn out to be a red herring, that maybe they're all 'vat grown' and only 'born' just before going to academy. Then the memory wipe is just a cover story.
And hey, let's have a big press conference and tell the world what our battle plan is! What could possibly go wrong? |
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And furthermore, I think this comment of yours is also very much applicable to those druggies and Extendeds: Quote:
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PS. Sorry if my comments sounds rude or I come out as being nit-picky to you. Truthfully, I just want to have a nice and healthy arguments. Things might get heat up in this debate, but I’m not being mad at you or anything . This is just how I do things.
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2013-05-17, 08:48 | Link #379 |
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Jiart is wild very unexpectedly.
His Emperor brother is so very talented. Contrary to appearance. Speaking of the wise ruler that was assassinated and confined relatives, I remember Emperor_Taizong_of_Tang . Executives of the enemy is also a unique and funny. "Instinct" is seems to be an important theme of this series. Crushed cream puff was incompetent as ever. Will he can really catch up. ... Great battle will have in store next week. Expect. Aaaaaaah!! I can not wait for the next week!! |
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I really liked episode 7. I've been looking forward to seeing more stuff on the Wulgaru, and the opening parts of the episode definitely didn't disappoint. Some of the other stuff is still kinda whatever, but I like that the heroes are more settled now, and it looks like next week we get our first major battle.
The Wulgaru stuff feels very much modeled after Greek mythology settings. They're a people driven by desires rather than deliberate thought, and they follow prophecies and signs to direct their conquest and movements. It's going to be fun to see how much more they expand on their background, and how it contrasts with humanity. The backgrounds in the Wulgaru world were really outstanding. Best background art in the series so far. Lol. |
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