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Old 2010-02-27, 16:48   Link #981
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The only question is if Claire is able to kill Priscilla in that awakened form of hers; will she be willing to let someone kill her? Since she killed her hated enemy and there is no reason for her to live and is now a threat to everyone else?

Maybe she will only allow Raki to do that for her. Well, we see won't we?
I don't think she really has given it that much thought. I don't think she cares much about what happens next, after she gets what she wants.

I doubt she cares or will be picky, I'm sure she'll finally be content with herself after she's done.
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Old 2010-02-27, 16:55   Link #982
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First spoiler has appeared!!! Thank Dofla on MH.

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クレイモア
リガルド戦で命をかけて自分を引き戻してくれたジーンの存在が無意識のうちにクレアの覚醒を抑え込んでしま っていた
戸惑うクレアを助けるヘレンとデネブ
場面かわり仲間を助けようとしてたキャラ(ユマだっけ?)が負傷者(シンシア?)の命を助ける も、
まだすぐに身体を動かせるまでには回復させられない。
そこに敵たちが現れ死を覚悟しながら戦うユマの前にディートリヒが助けに入る
Thank you for posting this.

And now, for the...

TRANSLATION!
CLAYMORE

Jean (who managed to restore Clare after risking her life in the battle with Rigaldo)'s existence shut out Clare's awakening from within Clare's unconsciousness. Helen and Deneve rescue the bewildered Clare. Scene change. A character (Yuma perhaps?) is trying to save a casualty (Cynthia?)'s life when almost immediately it's not enough to restore her body to the degree that she can move around. The enemy appears there and, before Yuma who is prepared for death fights, Dietrich enters to help.
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Old 2010-02-27, 17:00   Link #983
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Thank you Stream for translation . At last it's understandable.
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Old 2010-02-27, 17:31   Link #984
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Very nice Stream; a shame that, if it's true, we don't see more of Claire and Priscilla.

It's nice that Jean stopped her...but why just Jean? I was kind of hoping it would be many people, or at least, Rafaela, since that would make the most amount of sense.
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Old 2010-02-27, 17:52   Link #985
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Thank you for posting this.

And now, for the...

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CLAYMORE

Jean (who managed to restore Clare after risking her life in the battle with Rigaldo)'s existence shut out Clare's awakening from within Clare's unconsciousness. Helen and Deneve rescue the bewildered Clare. Scene change. A character (Yuma perhaps?) is trying to save a casualty (Cynthia?)'s life when almost immediately it's not enough to restore her body to the degree that she can move around. The enemy appears there and, before Yuma who is prepared for death fights, Dietrich enters to help.
Gooral and Shiek are right, Thanks a lot for that clean translation Stream. Plus, thank you, Gooral for posting it!

I take it the magic words weren't part of this spoiler... even though not every last spoiler that turned out to be true had them...

It's defiantly different from what I was expecting from the first spoiler... There usually horrible, predictable, and laughable This one wasn't so out there. I mean, I do find brushing over the Clare/Priscilla fight odd but not impossible.

Also I recall a theory of Jean preventing Clare from awakening... I recall speculating on it. Sadly this month has been so crazy for me I can't recall any details... maybe I'll look it up later.

I do find it odd that Dietrich made it West... since I thought she was going East to report back to the org. So, Dietrich going East reporting back then being sent out West this fast is just odd. Especially if Miria and gang are also heading west since I just don't see Dietrich out pacing Miria unless someone is slowing Miria down like Tabitha or Clarice, that is unless Miria went East instead of West or is staying put...

I'm just too out of it to call this spoiler as true or fake... so I'm just going to take the wait and see approach.

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Old 2010-02-27, 18:06   Link #986
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I do find it odd that Dietrich made it West... since I thought she was going East to report back to the org. So, Dietrich going East reporting back then being sent out West this fast is just odd. Especially if Miria and gang are also heading west since I just don't see Dietrich out pacing Miria unless someone is slowing Miria down like Tabitha or Clarice, that is unless Miria went East instead of West or is staying put...
I'm calling it fake for that reason; really, why Dietrich? what the heck is she doing out in the West instead of reporting like she's supposed too. Someone like her, I can't imagine taking a "detour" instead of going straight to her duties.
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Old 2010-02-27, 18:15   Link #987
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If this spoiler is true, I have to say that this mental mumbo-jumbo would be on the verge of killing this manga for me. I was worried about Yagi going further into this territory after that whole Rafaela/Claire incident, and it looks like my fears may have been justified. It's OK to have youki manipulation of another; it's even OK to have soul link because it's still just a technique; but having a bunch of people inside Claire doing stuff would be veering well into bs land. Yes, I know youma get people's memories, but that's all, they don't magically pop up to control the youma. Why should Claire have this then, who not just the memories if she must (not that I much like that idea, either)?

I really hope this isn't true as far as what happened to Claire goes.
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Old 2010-02-27, 18:20   Link #988
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If this spoiler is true, I have to say that this mental mumbo-jumbo would be on the verge of killing this manga for me. I was worried about Yagi going further into this territory after that whole Rafaela/Claire incident, and it looks like my fears may have been justified. It's OK to have youki manipulation of another; it's even OK to have soul link because it's still just a technique; but having a bunch of people inside Claire doing stuff would be veering well into bs land. Yes, I know youma get people's memories, but that's all, they don't magically pop up to control the youma. Why should Claire have this then, who not just the memories if she must (not that I much like that idea, either)?

I really hope this isn't true as far as what happened to Claire goes.
Personally, the only way the story would be killed for me, is if Claire was able to fully awaken and transform back without consequence.

You're right in that the idea seems pretty generic, but what if it was Rafaela? or the tranformation was halted because of something other then a persons' influence?

Ugh....I'm suddenly being reminded just what a trainwreck the first week was; the whole "Claire is the source of the scent" just blew my mind .

Hopefully Ryus' theory in that her simply being a half-awakened has something to do with it. It's not much, but it's the least confusing idea so far. I hope Yagi is putting as much thought into this as we are.
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Old 2010-02-27, 18:34   Link #989
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Personally, the only way the story would be killed for me, is if Claire was able to fully awaken and transform back without consequence.

You're right in that the idea seems pretty generic, but what if it was Rafaela? or the tranformation was halted because of something other then a persons' influence?

Ugh....I'm suddenly being reminded just what a trainwreck the first week was; the whole "Claire is the source of the scent" just blew my mind .

Hopefully Ryus' theory in that her simply being a half-awakened has something to do with it. It's not much, but it's the least confusing idea so far. I hope Yagi is putting as much thought into this as we are.
I'm too out of it right now to debate theories for spoilers, especially ones that we don't know are true yet... I will say that with the theory I posted, to which you are referring, doesn't exclude the actions of Jean, Teresa, Raphaela, etc... making Clare's case more pronounced than the others and/or speed up so she'd be the first effected. All the theory did was connect know facts about the half awakened and applied the simplest idea I could come up with to connect the know pieces of the puzzle.

The reason why I came up with the theory was due to Deneve saying her yoki felt odd and always at its limits. So Clare wasn't the only half awakened who is noticing something odd with their own power and now Clare can't awaken... so is there a connection? I thought it likely.
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Old 2010-02-27, 18:48   Link #990
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The spoilers came out with D. gray-man's spoilers from its the usual source for them. I'm think it fairly safe to say this spoilers are true since they came from a reliable source. I'd have to see the actual chapter to see how I feel about it. So far I'm a bit conflicted about these turn of events. I was seriously hoping for some more Pris vs Clare.
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Old 2010-02-27, 18:49   Link #991
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You're right in that the idea seems pretty generic, but what if it was Rafaela? or the tranformation was halted because of something other then a persons' influence?
It being anyone from inside Claire other than Claire herself would totally suck, in my opinion. I don't want anyone living inside Claire like that. I don't mind if she's inherited something from Teresa's powers, but it shouldn't develop into some mumbo-jumbo of people inside Claire talking to her and doing stuff for her. I'd be surprised if I'm the only one who doesn't want that kind of crap in Claymore.

Someone doing it from the outside through youki manipulation would be OK with me. If it's because of a technical reason that doesn't involve any people, that I guess would be OK too.
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Old 2010-02-27, 19:02   Link #992
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I'm too out of it right now to debate theories for spoilers, especially ones that we don't know are true yet... I will say that with the theory I posted, to which you are referring, doesn't exclude the actions of Jean, Teresa, Raphaela, etc... making Clare's case more pronounced than the others and/or speed up so she'd be the first effected. All the theory did was connect know facts about the half awakened and applied the simplest idea I could come up with to connect the know pieces of the puzzle.

The reason why I came up with the theory was due to Deneve saying her yoki felt odd and always at its limits. So Clare wasn't the only half awakened who is noticing something odd with their own power and now Clare can't awaken... so is there a connection? I thought it likely.
At this point, I'm kind of out of it myself

I doubt, if the next chapter throws something else at it, I'm gonna complain. Really, at this point, as long as it's logical enough, I'll get over it .

It's just a little frustrating when you all but eliminate a possibility in something happening in the story...and then it ends up happening .

I'm annoyed though that, if Helen and Deneve do get Claire out of there and bolt...then, when you look at the big picture, the reunion between Claire and Priscilla was somewhat anticlimatic.

Which is why I'm leaning towards this being fake; and even though we've had real spoilers without them, 90% of the real spoilers do have the magic words and this one doesn't.
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Old 2010-02-27, 19:08   Link #993
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At this point, I'm kind of out of it myself

I doubt, if the next chapter throws something else at it, I'm gonna complain. Really, at this point, as long as it's logical enough, I'll get over it .

It's just a little frustrating when you all but eliminate a possibility in something happening in the story...and then it ends up happening .

I'm annoyed though that, if Helen and Deneve do get Claire out of there and bolt...then, when you look at the big picture, the reunion between Claire and Priscilla was somewhat anticlimatic.

Which is why I'm leaning towards this being fake; and even though we've had real spoilers without them, 90% of the real spoilers do have the magic words and this one doesn't.
I'm kinda in shock, Priscilla let Clare go... maybe the Rods held her up... while she eats them. She a slow eater.

So now we'd have The Destroyer and now The Devourer
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Old 2010-02-27, 19:16   Link #994
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priscilla is the largest yoki source, so if all hellcats attack only her it is perhaps possible for helen and deneve somehow to save clare.
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How it is possible that dead people can influence clare?
Perhaps when jean restored clare with her last breath the same happened as when rafaella gave her her memories and feelings. The abyssal feeders are even able to merge her minds like naruto's shadowclones. The yoma had zakis memories and had to cry despite he only wanted to make dinner, just like me if i slice onions
And theresa is probably to some extent still alive in clares flesh. With awakening clare would let all those memories go to waste. Perhaps that was the mistake rafaella was talking about.
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Old 2010-02-27, 19:21   Link #995
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Don't see Priscilla simply letting them go like the spoiler says. Unless all the hellcats are concentrating on her and not on Claire, Deneve, Helen. I am willing to say it's fake although I might be wrong.
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It seems to be "confirmed".
Like you said the only explanation i have is that all those hellcats attack priscilla's huge yoki and ignore the insignificant yokis of clare, helen and deneve.
But if priscilla can track clare down by scent they have to hurry up.
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Don't see Priscilla simply letting them go like the spoiler says. Unless all the hellcats are concentrating on her and not on Claire, Deneve, Helen. I am willing to say it's fake although I might be wrong.
Though I agree... It's not like Priscilla can't track down Clare again. Since Priscilla now knows her scent and Yoki and Clare's Yoki is now out in the open. So far Priscilla seems to be very good at distance yoki sensing, not sure if she has Galatea's range or Clare's though.

Perhaps if Priscilla is just passing time for Clare to regain consciousness after losing all that blood, or at the least have a moment to gather herself after losing that much blood. Since how else could Deneve and Helen over power Clare...

Well just have to wait to see though... more waiting
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Well, If Priscilla does get attacked by the hellcats, she wouldn't have any problems catching up to Claire. She can travel a long distance in seconds.
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Old 2010-02-27, 20:00   Link #999
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I wonder who this enemy who shows up near Yuma and Cynthia is... A hellcat, an AB, a wondering AF, or maybe even Priscilla. Since I'd find it odd if Dietrich can take on a Hellcat by herself.
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Thanks a lot for the translation. Jean locking away Clare's awakened form back then somewhat makes sense. However, I must say I wished it was somehow connected to Rpahaela since it would make more sense.

Actually how would Jean know how to do that? Clare brought her back doing the same thing Galatea did to her before and Jean copied it form Clare. If they all did the same thing this makes no sense whatsoever unless Jean suddenly started understanding a whole lot about awakenings and such somehow which I doubt.

And why in the world would Dietrich show up there? This is getting confusing for someone as seleep deprived as me

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Well to be honest Teresa is dead, Raphaela is dead and they both sitll have a role to play in Clare's development, mostly Raphaela at this point. From what I got out of that spoiler before this translation I understood that somehow Jean influenced Clare now thus I said all that
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