Nanoha Cross-over Discussion Thread

[Akiyoshi]

Shana VS. Signum also would be a pretty enetertaining match, they share many similitudes yet have strong differences both in personality and combat-wise, the abttle will be over the moment Shana summons Alastor but i don't thing Shana will waste such a valuable resource on an opponent she may like fighting by herself, Shana hits hard and fast but her power output is inconsistent while Signum's is more than settled at a good level, this battle will probable be more even that the fight with Nanoha and Wilhelmina respectively as both are close combat experts. Signum is no newbie when it comes to take advantage of handy weaknesses and thus probably use Shana's short-hair temper against her which also can be a double-edged sword as it will also make Shana more powerfull. It will depend on how confident Signum is in handle Shana's power with her skill or if she decides to overpower the shortie before she can acces her full potential, but knowing Signum, she probably will want to see Shana's full potential in action, which is a pretty baaaaaad idea.

[Laevatein]

Originally Posted by Akiyoshi

^ All of the fights are well tought save for Subaru Vs. Flash and Erio/Caro VS. Martian Manhunter, those two leaguers are too powerfull in comparission with their oppopnents.

Nanoha have a good chance against Superman because of the latter's vulnerability to magic, Teana VS. Batman will be a pretty kickass fight, Signum compensates her lack of power in front of Amazon Diana's godly strenght with her swordswoman skill and simple-yet-powerfull defensive/offensive spells, Vita VS. Shayera will be a bloodfest full of GAR-ness and Fate will open Gren Lantern a new one thanks to her YELLOW powers xD!

Well, keep in mind that these are the animated versions, rather than the comic book ones (comic book JLA would curbstomp RF6). Flash is faster than Subaru, but I think Subaru has the edge in power and toughness - it'll be tough for her to land a hit, but if she manages it, she has a good chance of taking Flash down. OTOH, I don't think the GL rings have the vulnerability to yellow in the DCAU (I'm not 100% on that, though).

Alternatively, we could have Fate vs Flash in a battle of the speedsters.

[green-link94]

the GL rings are vulnerable to yellow in DCAU I don't remember the name of the episode but it is the one where lex and flash switch bodies and lex takes out GL with a yellow pudding.

[vic-vic]

Well, I have some Nanoha/Knight Run Crossover idea.

Since it`s a not well-known manhwa (that's a shame, it`s a great manhwa IMHO) I`'' give a synopsis. KR is about mankind war against insrct-like alien race (simply called a "beasts"). While common humans weapon pretty good against majority of aliens combatants (three digits), there is a humanoid aliens (two- and single-digits, and of course - the dreaded "class zero"), who posses insanely powerful core and shield, that`s can be penetrated only which main star-ship`s ordnance, that`s put a heavy toll on mankind`s armed forces. Still mankind managed to make an answer to them with AB-swords (anti-barrier) wielding "knights". And then we have a master-knights that can take even type zeros head on, though, normal knight often as strong as type-77.

What I like about this that`s KR-verse can be pretty compatible which Nanoha-verse since TSAB mooks can put a valiant fight with beasts cannon-folder and "type zero"... uh, those guys are insane. They can unleash bombardment, that can easily rival Nanoha and Hayate, swing around tower-sized swords that defy laws of psychic and can be almost as fast as Fate. On other hand, they`re NOT indestructible and not appear very often, since they production required titanic amount of resources from queen and nest.

[Sunder the Gold]

Rather than just discussing power levels and fight match-ups, I was hoping that this thread would examine the COMPATIBILITY of two universes.

You know, like how I mentioned the compatibility of the Naruto world, but the incompatibility of the Nasuverse.


The thing that people seem to be in a hurry to forget about Shakugan no Shana (and the very reason that I swore off the series by the second episode) is that whole nonsense with consuming the very foundation of a creature's existence, such that the universe forgets the person ever existed.

And yet something in the universe remembers well enough that an exact clone can be created and people still remember the person, what? The logical contradiction hurts my head.

Worse is the empirical knowledge that Yuji isn't a human being with a real will, he's just a puppet pretending to be the Yuji that got erased from existence. On top of that, when he dies (which all beings eventually do) everyone is going to forget he existed.

And Shana falls in love with that puppet despite knowing these things for a fact. That's tragic and not a little pathetic.

[Sunder the Gold]

One crossover I would like to see is with BlazBlue. Because of the possibilities with Seithr (regarding the Huckebein) and the Boundary (regarding the original season).


First of all, given how little of the world is left after the Black Beast, it's easy to claim that the planet of BlazBlue is a different planet from Earth.

The Boundary could become a universal property of the combined universe that the TSAB hasn't only experienced rarely, such as in the case of those magical dead zones that appeared at the Garden of Time when Precia was twisting dimensional space.

The Boundary is full of Seithr, an energy that works like magic, but which is deadly poisonous to human life. The Seithr concentrations on the world of BlazBlue have already weeded out everyone who couldn't survive trace amounts of the stuff, and they've developed spells (Ars Magus) for making use of the stuff.

Compare Ragna the Blood Edge and his Azure Grimoire to the Huckebein. A massive amount of power that isn't magic, and which is quite anti-magical, anti-biological, and anti-electronic, and which allows the user to survive and regenerate from massive amounts of damage.

Ragna even technically has a supermode, when he fully activates the Azure Grimoire... to say nothing of how he might become a Second Black Beast (or possibly just a helpless black body, without Nu-13 to provide the Beast's mind).


Going back to Precia, she and Alicia's corpse fell into the Boundary. What might that do to them?

If one of the original observation units sent to explore the Boundary found something that gave it a soul, might Alicia's corpse stumble on something that brings it back to life? Or animates it as someone (or someTHING) else entirely?

Does Precia finish dying, or does something else happen to her?


Does the fall of Al Hazard have anything to do with the Boundary? Is it IN the Boundary, a place that the TSAB (and Belkans and their contemporaries) did not discover techniques for exploring?


What about the time-loops? Do those apply only to the planet of BlazBlue, or all of the combined universe? Would anyone visiting the planet be caught in the same loops? Would they remember previous loops as though they were an Observer?

Well, that's hard to say until we learn more about what's actually going on in BlazBlue.

[Sunder the Gold]

Returning to Naruto+Nanoha, I've been reading Mischief Fragment Mjolnir.

Pretty entertaining, and I like the idea of Hinata getting a bow-shaped Device, to pierce chakra points at a distance with magical arrows.

I have to disagree with the author's choice for Naruto, however. Naruto is very much his world's equivalent of Hayate, only he's a close-combat specialist instead of living artillery.

Therefore, I think that the TSAB would try to hook him up with a New Belkan Unison Device (wind-based, as Rein is ice and Agito is fire, since Naruto himself is wind-based).

A Unison Device gives him another friend, and would also help him keep the Kyubi's chakra under control. A definite must.


Poor Rock Lee has no Linker Core worth speaking of (assuming that Linker Cores provide the spiritual half of chakra, which I would), so he can't learn magic. He might be able to use a Cartridge-equipped Device, though.


And imagine the meeting between the Alpines and the Aburames.

[Justin_Brett]

I've been reading a Fate-Stay/Nanoha fanfic recently that's decent, although it has some flaws (tons of typos, really long chapters, basically rehashing all the Servants from Stay and Zero) which are thankfully offset by the interesting plot.

Spoiler:

And it gives Suzuka an actual role, so hey, can't complain.

[green-link94]

just so you know if you haven't read the latest chapters yet it is currently undergoing a rewrite.

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by Laevatein

Well, keep in mind that these are the animated versions, rather than the comic book ones (comic book JLA would curbstomp RF6). Flash is faster than Subaru, but I think Subaru has the edge in power and toughness - it'll be tough for her to land a hit, but if she manages it, she has a good chance of taking Flash down. OTOH, I don't think the GL rings have the vulnerability to yellow in the DCAU (I'm not 100% on that, though).

Alternatively, we could have Fate vs Flash in a battle of the speedsters.

I know, comic book Justice League is beyond broken(Flash can freaking travel in time just by running for Pete's sake!).

About the animated JL fights well, while it's true that Subaru might have more physical power than the Flash this is only situational, remember that Wally can accelerate the mass of his body to ludicrous levels generating humongous kinetic force in his punches(that's how he alone Curbstompped Brainthor after all xD!). Yup, Green Lanter has the yellow weakness in his ring, lampshaded a couple of times in the series(i laugh everytime i see the yellow puddin attack xD!), so yeah, he's pretty screwed up against Fate's magic and Bardiche's blade just by the colour xDU.

A Fate vs. Flash fight? Hmmm... let's see, Fate is really fast but not as fast as the Flash(he's faster than freakin Superman), on the plus side, Fate can fly and is also a fast aerial mage while Flash is stranded on the ground, Fate also seems to be a decent person so i doubt Wally will enter in his serious/efficient mode that quick allowing Fate to defeat him like many villains do in the cartoon xDU.

[al103]

Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

Rather than just discussing power levels and fight match-ups, I was hoping that this thread would examine the COMPATIBILITY of two universes.

Setting most compatible with Nanoha ever in that regard is Negima (manga). They have so many common themes in magical systems...

Originally Posted by Sunder the Gold

I have to disagree with the author's choice for Naruto, however. Naruto is very much his world's equivalent of Hayate, only he's a close-combat specialist instead of living artillery.

Therefore, I think that the TSAB would try to hook him up with a New Belkan Unison Device (wind-based, as Rein is ice and Agito is fire, since Naruto himself is wind-based).

1. You can't just "hook" somebody with somebody that can easily do choice by him/herself - like all UD clearly are.
2. There are NO "free" Unison Devices just floating around. And creation of one is very difficult (and dangerous) process.
3. Last but not least Naruto is in contact (if nothing had change in last NNN chapters as I dropped somewhere before Pain invasion) with "unison device" of his own - Fox, duh! - and I'm not sure he can use other.

[Nanya01]

Originally Posted by al103

Setting most compatible with Nanoha ever in that regard is Negima (manga). They have so many common themes in magical systems...

I'd say the American Comic Gold Digger is more compatible...

Considering all magic in Gold Digger is derived from highly advanced technology one way or another...

[al103]

Originally Posted by Nanya01

I'd say the American Comic Gold Digger is more compatible...

Considering all magic in Gold Digger is derived from highly advanced technology one way or another...

It actually make it less compatible. Magic in Nanoha is assisted by technology, not derived from it.

PS. And it's not just about magical system in Nanoha/Negima - Chao's/Chachamaru's Satellite Cannon, Chachamaru herself ("brain" is computer, but powered by magic) and some other things shows that magic/tech paradigm and compatibility is about same too.

[Keroko]

There are still notable differences though. In Negimaverse the elements are a cornerstone of their magic, whereas in Nanoha it is a specialization. One that requires a fair amount of training if one does not have a natural affinity.

[al103]

Originally Posted by Keroko

There are still notable differences though. In Negimaverse the elements are a cornerstone of their magic, whereas in Nanoha it is a specialization. One that requires a fair amount of training if one does not have a natural affinity.

In Negimaverse mages call on natural spirits to simplify casting that's where elemental magic comes from, Nanohaverse have devices for that. Also we don't know if Nanohaverse spells have element as they are magic first, element second (as are Negimaverse ones btw). Certainly with exception of mana conversion, but I suspect such thing would be rare (if even exist) in Negimaverse too.

[Sunder the Gold]

Originally Posted by al103

1. You can't just "hook" somebody with somebody that can easily do choice by him/herself - like all UD clearly are.
2. There are NO "free" Unison Devices just floating around. And creation of one is very difficult (and dangerous) process.

I know that it will be a tricky, expensive, and controversial task, but it is the only type that will work. Remember that without Zwei, Hayate kept destroying every Device that Shari made for her. Naruto would be just as hard on a regular Device, especially when he starts channeling the Kyubi's power, and/or the power of nature (Sage Mode).

Fortunately, Naruto would be well-suited to the Belkan system. this is good because no one has to try and figure out how to make a Midchild system UD.

[Akiyoshi]

Originally Posted by al103

Also we don't know if Nanohaverse spells have element as they are magic first, element second (as are Negimaverse ones btw).

Seems to be the case with Nanohaverse magic too, at least for fire MCA and for some elemental spells. MCA produced fire can be cancelled by Eclipse which means the fire is more magical than natural, then we have the Heimdall spell which is supported mainly by magic, the ice is real but is physically impossible to hold a mountain-size icebrg upside down without magic.

[mega1987]

Originally Posted by Nanya01

I'd say the American Comic Gold Digger is more compatible...

Considering all magic in Gold Digger is derived from highly advanced technology one way or another...

You might be invoking Washu there, Nanya....

[Akiyoshi]

Someone mentioned some time ago a crossover with Infinite Stratos and i think the two universes will get along well, of course there will be a lot of controversy in the TSAB by knowing the Earthling are developing powerfull exo-skeletal armours equiped with very heavy mass-based artillery and advanced energy weapons.

By the time the series began the IS technology is still in diapers with only a handfull of 3rd Generation IS being able to fight on par with top mages from the TSAB but there are some other capable of amazing feats(White Knight, Silverio Gospel, Aka Tsubaki and Byakkushiki Setsura are the main examples). The TSAB might want to send some of their earthbirth agents as spies to wach out the situation, sending Nanoha and Hayate/Wolkenritter and then end up involved in some of the battles. I have the feeling Nanoha could be a suitable candidate for an IS pilot and thus enrolled in the academy in order to watch the technology closer.

Tabane will go happy nuts when she witness the magical technology used by Nanoha and Co. but i'm pretty sure at the end both parties will agree cover each other in order to avoid a full scale investigation from the bureau that led to a much bigger conflict.

P.D.- Chifuyuu-nee and Signum will share a cup of sake xD

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by al103

In Negimaverse mages call on natural spirits to simplify casting that's where elemental magic comes from, Nanohaverse have devices for that. Also we don't know if Nanohaverse spells have element as they are magic first, element second (as are Negimaverse ones btw). Certainly with exception of mana conversion, but I suspect such thing would be rare (if even exist) in Negimaverse too.

Devices are an aid, not a solution. It has been specifically noted that elemental magic requires a different type of training than 'regular' magic if one does not have an affinity. Note how in A's, the Lieze twins were impressed by Chrono mastering elemental magic.

In Negima's case, the majority of the basic spells are elemental in nature. Note, for example, that the gross majority of spells Negi calls upon are elemental in nature. Wind defenses, using the air element to boost speed, his magic arrows of light, lightning attacks... his elemental arsenal far outweighs his non-elemental. And this goes for most mages you see in Negima. Heck, practe bigi nar, the first spell any young mage will learn, already consists of creating fire.

In Negima, elemental magic is the basics of the basics. In Nanohaverse, it's for advanced users.