[MANGA] Bleach Weekly Chapter 500+ Discussion

[saravis]

Originally Posted by itachi-san314

yea we dont take kindly to logic round these parts. clearly ichigo's dagger is more powerful than his sword. everyone knows that the smaller the knife, the more powerful it is

So if someone whips out a pocket knife, that's like game over?

[GDiddy]

So apparently we're supposed to be getting omakes or something during this hiatus. Anyone hear anything yet about 'The Dagger'?

I"m guessing it might explain somewhat why Uryu is working with the same people who killed his mother...and maybe his father.

Maybe we'll finally find out what happened to the rest of the SS during the First Invasion and whether Kira's really REALLY dead or not.

[Alchemist007]

Originally Posted by saravis

So if someone whips out a pocket knife, that's like game over?

Thumb tack. Zaraki's bankai.

[itachi-san314]

Originally Posted by saravis

So if someone whips out a pocket knife, that's like game over?

now you're getting it! although...

Originally Posted by Alchemist007

Thumb tack. Zaraki's bankai.

haha! yes that would trump everything else i'm sure, unless bach has a quiver of sewing needles or something

[Bakaizer]

Originally Posted by itachi-san314

now you're getting it! although...

haha! yes that would trump everything else i'm sure, unless bach has a quiver of sewing needles or something

how about the zero squads abilities, pretty sure they are strong to take on Juha Bach

[SeanQ]

Originally Posted by nikohowell

how about the zero squads abilities, pretty sure they are strong to take on Juha Bach

pretty sure kubo would have juha bach will pull the illusion card and fool each of them into fighting a pointless fight and wam bam raging fans.

[itachi-san314]

Originally Posted by SeanQ

pretty sure kubo would have juha bach will pull the illusion card and fool each of them into fighting a pointless fight and wam bam raging fans.

the worst possible scenario (which unfortunately happens quite a bit in these types of mangas...) would be for bach to create doubles of the zero squad and have them fight themselves. that would probably cause the biggest fan uproar of disgust

[Mad Pierrot]

Originally Posted by itachi-san314

the worst possible scenario (which unfortunately happens quite a bit in these types of mangas...) would be for bach to create doubles of the zero squad and have them fight themselves. that would probably cause the biggest fan uproar of disgust

No, the worst thing would be leaving the fights offscreen such as when all people were surprised with Yammy being the Espada Cero.

[sayde]

Since these aren't scans of manga chapters, I wonder if its okay to post links to these.

The following links are chinese scanlations of "The Dagger". You can look at these alongside Czeliate's translations (which can also be found below).

Page1
Page2&3
Page4

Spoiler for translations:

1st Picture:


Bleach the Dagger #1


Small text : From this week onwards till the beginning of serialisation of WJ 41 [Thousand Years bloody war arc the farewell/separation story], in 5 weeks, will feature each theme of [Thousand Years bloody war arc] thoroughly , #1 is “Wandenreich”!!
十字之一 (cross of one)?


Main Title: Wandenreich who trampled/crushed Soul Society


Sub title: The “should have been dead” exorcism family – Quincy's counterattack—
-Quincies who were swapped away by Shinigami, appears all of a sudden, and crushed soul society in the name of “Wandenreich”.
- Thousand years ago, the case of Genryusai failing to supress the head of wandenreich : Yhwach, and also Shinigami’s determination to battle and exterminate Quincies. After a long period of time, the final bloody war attributed to the 2 forces, has unfold at the moment –


Vertical text: The cause of thousand years ago—




2nd picture (left):
Invasion


Main title: After years and years, the Wandenreich began to attack –


Sub title: The Wandenreich who ruled and expand the Hueco Mundo


Sub-sub title: Captured and took the 3rd espada, who once ruled the Hueco Mundo
- Before invading Soul society, Wandenreich attacks Hueco Mundo. They have successfully captured Harribel , and imprisoned her in the “Ice palace”.
- The Wandenreich created a Hueco Mundo hunting team to deemed the arrancars that do not require battle educations as precious combatant and to ensure such arrancars possess.
Sub title: Under the imperial order, [The star knight(Stern Ritter)]’s elimination
- Numerous of green/blue pillar of fire suddenly appears inside the spherical spirit barrier that surrounds the Sereitei. From there, under the imperial order, the stern ritters arrived, and pushed the shinigami to a terror of the deep.


Sub-sub title: An early judgement and underestimation of Shinigami against the enemy due to lack of information
- Shinigamis attempt to confront the Quincies with bankais, but were mocked by the stern ritters as they had successfully stole their bankais.


Sub-sub title : Number of soldiers whose spiritual pressure disappeared: 1,245, seated officer: 56, vice captain = 1. The number keeps increasing.
- Unable to set out a victory, even Kira has fallen. Sereitei falls into a miserable condition.


Sub-sub title: Shinigami and Soul Society were brutally stomped
- Even Kenpachi, one of the special war potential, and Byakuya, who has a prominent strength in the Gotei 13, were defeated in front of the Stern Ritters.
- Yhwach stole Genryusai’s bankai , and slash him down. This, is the closure after thousand years.




3rd picture (right):
Quincy


Main title: Extinct more than 200 years ago, the complete hollow extinguisher – Quincy


Sub title: Due to destructions of hollows, depicts a tragic history
- Quincies possessed a high spiritual pressure and the ability to supress hollows. But they completely destroyed the hollows in the real world. Shinigami maintains the balance of souls between the real world and Soul Society, a companion who has the same goal,that is to “defeat hollows”, but their existence is unpleasant. Therefore, approximately 200 years ago, Shinigami decided to conduct a war to exterminate Quincies.


Sub-sub title: In the past, the exorcism group who specialised in suppressing hollows has spread throughout the world…
- Shinigaimi in charged both the real world and soul society, are also the soul balancer in both worlds. Hence, when the Quincies ruined the flow of souls, it is considered dangerous in Shinigami’s point of view.


Sub title: 200 years of unremitting studies, the evolution that is beyond imagination was born
- 200 years ago, Quincies became extinct after the extermination battles, but there are still a small amount of Quincies like Ishida survives. However, the survival Quincies took an effort to study after 200 years, and received a new power that Shinigami have not seen before.


Sub title: Losing the power completely, [Quincy’s final form](Letzt Stil)
- [Quincy’s final form], a power that goes beyond the limit of Quincy’s spiritual particles gathering force, but will lose all the Quincy powers in the end. This power also fails to be handed down 200 years ago.
- [Quincy’s Complete holy form] (Vollstandig) : different from the [Quincy’s final form], its power also possess the same with different horrizons.
- Star Emblemize (Medalize): Using a circular metal like that has a Quincy cross imprint on it, the Medalize , steals the bankai power of Shinigami.
- Blood cloth (Blut): A technique that inserts the spiritual particles into the blood vessels, and increases the attack or defence drastically. However, both the attack and defence cannot be increase at the same time.
- Blood vein(blut vein): can even block the blade. When it unleashes, a pattern that looks like an electronic circuit lines appear on the skin.
- Holy Slave(Sklaverei): Increases the gathering force of spiritual particles to the limit, by enslaving it. Whether it was based objects or humans, the disc on top of the head can literally absorbs all the spirit particles.

Herakles XD






Text below Bambi babies: Even though that the known Stern Ritters has been introduced, their complete view, their ability, and their sequence order is still a mystery. When these information has been revealed, Soul Society will once again shrouded by fear.




Ad:
“uncover all the mysterious of the [Thousand years bloody war arc farewell/separation story] will be serialised in WJ 41 again!”


"Next week will be featured/a collection (of) on Gotei 13 and the royal guards"

That's all I was able to find.

[Excelion]

So it's sort of like a mini databook (must not be planning to sell another one)

[Chiaki_chan]

Originally Posted by sayde

Since these aren't scans of manga chapters, I wonder if its okay to post links to these.

The following links are chinese scanlations of "The Dagger". You can look at these alongside Czeliate's translations (which can also be found below).

Page1
Page2&3
Page4

Spoiler for translations:

That's all I was able to find.

So the whole week will have this kind of page with information that we already know ok ..

[sayde]

With as confusing and convoluted as certain aspects of this plot have become to some people, I suppose a little recap & confirmation on things couldn't hurt.

[The Butcher]

I'm on chapter 531 atm.

Masaki is pretty cool. Already one of my favorite characters in Bleach. Reminds me of old Rukia for some reason.

[Yuri99]

Originally Posted by The Butcher

I'm on chapter 531 atm.

Masaki is pretty cool. Already one of my favorite characters in Bleach. Reminds me of old Rukia for some reason.

I'm sorry, but you must god dam blind with a memory problem she behave like Orihime

[Mr. DJ]

Butcher is talking about the scene where she killed the hollow, Orihime couldn't have pulled something like that off.

[ChampDream]

Originally Posted by Mr. DJ

Butcher is talking about the scene where she killed the hollow, Orihime couldn't have pulled something like that off.

I agree, Orihime killing a hollow is like Ichigo being a damsel in distress and that could never happen.

[Mr. DJ]

Orihime is more than capable of killing your run of the mill factory hollow She couldn't have been as cold blooded as Masaki was right before taking out White

[Bakaizer]

Originally Posted by ChampDream

I agree, Orihime killing a hollow is like Ichigo being a damsel in distress and that could never happen.

and the only one who can save ichigo is Zaraki Kenpachi

REMEMBER???

[Mad Pierrot]

Originally Posted by nikohowell

and the only one who can save ichigo is Zaraki Kenpachi

REMEMBER???

Ichigo has been saved some times actually. Also, Inoue defeated a Hollow when she obtained her powers. That was back in the time when Ichigo's friends weren't useless.

[sayde]

The 4th part to the Dagger contained a few tidbits of info that could prove interesting to some to speculate on. Credit goes to czeliate once again for providing translations.

Originally Posted by czeliate
Thanks to kaze again, but out of respect, I won't be posting the pictures.. sorry

This week's dagger is "The Mystery and the Truth 1" , title : The Dagger #4 : クロイツフィア

As we expected, no Kubo interviews , but couple of interesting stuffs though... hmm

First of all, the Spirit King (Rei-oh). Basically the only method to return back to the soul king palace is through Kukkaku's bazooka missiles, is this part of her huge responsibility? Also, it seems to imply that Kukkaku's lost right arm has a connection with the king's key. I don't know, here's in Japanese:
空鶴の右腕が無いのは　、王鍵が関係している?

The next page is Unohana and Kenpachi's battle. Basically is what we already know.. and of course, no mention of Unohana's status XD

In the 3rd page, there's 3 keywords.
The First keyword is the special war potential. It says something like "other than Ichigo, Kenpachi, and Aizen, who else is included? "

The second keyword is the distortion("hizumi" in japanese) space , here it mentions about the distortion space that Hiyori saw. On the side note , it says "A distortion space also happening above the sky (as seen in chapter 545)

Spoiler:

After that , Kyoraku appears infront of Tatsuki and co., and report about Ichigo's situation in the future. The connection of the appearance of shinigami is..? "

The final keyword is "Genryuusai"
Here the dagger mentions that Yhwach often calls Yamajii as "Yamamoto Shigekuni", however, the only time he did not call him Shigekuni is when he has successfully stole Yamajii's bankai and ask if he should use it, at that time he calls him "Genryuusai" instead

So, question...is there any meaning behind on that particular call (that Yamamoto "Genryuusai")?

next issue uncovers the truth of impact/attacks and the mystery of Ichigo's birth

that's it.

Most interesting bits I took from this:
-Kukkaku's missing arm having a connection to the kings key (didn't see that coming)
-confirmation of Aizen being a potential (which some fans seemed to have misinterpreted and argued against for awhile now) so this issue can finally be put to rest.