2010-12-22, 06:40 | Link #61 |
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^ It only looks like you are trying to just force character into the schema without any deep basis... It's 'COMPARE TO' other studios. When 'other' studios do 100 pantu shot, kyoani does 1. That's it. You also do know that past kyoani and post-yamakan kyoani are completely 'different studio' from one to another, so you can't really bring Suzumiya Haruhi season 1 or Full Metal Pani into the argument on 'current' states of Kyoto Animation, right?...
Plus, about your editing, K-On is pretty much the only thing you can call 'total moe oriented' show that Kyoto animation ever made. All the others had different charm one to another. It is just kyoani shows 'happens' to do somewhat moe...no it actually isn't, Kyoto animation was 'creating' moe. Beside, Suzumiya Haruhi is no different from K-On. No-one predicted, even otakus did not predicted Haruhi will be such a big hit and sales becomes like 40000. It was not because it was appealed just otaku. It actually CONVERTED non-otaku person into otaku and that's the whole different manner from just stimulating otaku demand and desires. It's about creating a whole new demand, and that's comes from being 'different'.
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2010-12-22, 06:43 | Link #62 | |
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2010-12-22, 06:47 | Link #63 | |
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Shouldn't this sort of reasoning work both ways? In other words, if an anime is destined for greatness by sheer virtue of the animation studio handling it, then can't a different anime also be said to be doomed for failure by sheer virtue of the animation studio handling it? Either animation studios really do mean that much, or they don't. You can't have it both ways, in my opinion. Personally, I think fans sometimes put too much stock in which animation studio handles which works - every animation studio (that I know of) has at least some misses to their name (yes, even Kyoto Animation, at least commercially - Munto anyone?), and most have at least a very good anime or two to their name.
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2010-12-22, 06:47 | Link #64 | |
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@Kaioshin Sama: ... what do you mean about 'my case'?
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*and about Munto, it does not exist!!
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2010-12-22, 06:53 | Link #65 |
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Kaioshin Sama has a point there. I like KyoAni, mainly because of the potentially high production quality they can achieve, but those praises are clearly too much. A lot of the points raised are indeed used by KyoAni. Perhaps the point should be they were used correctly or not as badly (most of the time, anyway...). Okay, scratch that, misinterpreted the post. I still stand by my next point though.
"excess of sugar-characters (ie. totally useless clumsy dolts)" Even barring all other KyoAni works that have this element, watching K-ON! was akin to being fed fistfuls of raw sugar. Last edited by Kakkou; 2010-12-22 at 07:06. |
2010-12-22, 06:55 | Link #66 |
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I'll definitely watch Gintama, the world only god knows and the two Noitamina shows. Everything I'll judge based on the first episode.Very bad? You either have no taste what so ever or you haven't seen any of the series produced in 2010.
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2010-12-22, 06:56 | Link #67 |
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@ Kaioshin Sama
Weren't you talking (only) about K-on earlier? Since that's what I assumed. As I recall you didn't exactly hate the first series of Haruhi (*checks posts* yup that's right! yey for archives). And don't remember you complaining about FMP being some moe show either... Not to mention all this hypocritic KyoAni bashing came (largely) after K-on. In any case, I was ONLY referring to K-on with that list. I don't generalize into everything like you do. The point was KyoAni has made series that defy the the "standard". Your argument showing me how by putting ALL of the KyoAni series togheter since the f*cking dawn of time, you could barely find 1 scene/character (and even those barely in range), merely proves my point. Characters that get "character development" (or do something "non-sugar" related at some point; which all characters in K-on do) aren't sugar characters.
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2010-12-22, 07:02 | Link #68 | |
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I'm just left scratching my head to this one folks, I have no idea what he's on about. Sorry, but it's up to others to figure this one out for now, I'm off to bed. |
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2010-12-22, 07:18 | Link #70 | |
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Just one last thing, because I want to be clear.
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1. Suzumiya Haruhi Season 1 sold 40000, which was the biggest success for TV animation at that time. There was huge amount of increase in otaku population after Suzumiya Haruhi's success. 2. Over 20000 of DVD/BD sales means that it sold even those who don't usually by Anime DVD/BD. *. Based on 1 and 2, we can find out that there was sort of 'conversion' went on from non-otaku to otaku population. Another one? 1. K-On was total moe oriented show without doubt. 2. Full Metal Panic Fumoffu = Not moe centered, Second raid = Not, Suzumiya Haruhi = PIONEERED entirely new sort of moe, but it was still not moe oriented, but more of twisted sci-fi romance. Keys = sad, romance stories, a bit of moe was mostly ignored by dramas. Munto = Fail *K-On = Only TOTAL moe oriented anime Kyoani has ever done.
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2010-12-22, 07:29 | Link #71 | |
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Anyway discussion has derailed quite a bit, so to make my post on-topic: Kaminomi 2, Steins;Gate, Deadman Wonderland and Ao no Exorcist are a definite must-watch for me while Denpa Onna and Sket Dance pique my interest, though the SHAFTtard in me will most likely result in me sticking with Denpa for sure. OVA wise Yozakura, BakaTest, xxxHolic, Air Gear and Princess Resurrection will be the ones for me. |
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2010-12-22, 07:41 | Link #72 | |
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But hey, when evidence to the contrary is shown (there's something interesting about it), then yea ignoring that would be silly. But it's really their loss. Really, it's just an opinion that doesn't attack other opinions or groups of people. It's not like someone hating something is gonna ruin the enjoyment for everyone else. The only thing under attack are the writers and producers, and since they are putting their work out for public display, they shouldn't mind being placed under public scrutiny-- I'm sure they can stand up for themselves and they do not care about what a few random people on the internet think. So there's no need to protect them from harmful words.
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2010-12-22, 07:55 | Link #73 | |
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(happens a lot with Kaioshin around) - I'll maybe check out...
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2010-12-22, 08:03 | Link #74 |
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It's a surprise. Seems that J.C. Staff is preparing their biggest arsenal for Fall 2011 (Shakugan no Shana III).
As for Spring 2011, yeah. No series worth watching. Oh well, I still have a heap of series to watch.
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2010-12-22, 09:28 | Link #75 | |
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For Deadman Wonderland, it look like Seikon no Qwaser because the main ennemy for the protagonist is mysterious but secret to peer. For Hidan no Aria, i hope that Yuka Iguchi will voice the tsundere lead, but if it's Rie Kugimiya again (because Takeshi Watanabe is a director of Shakugan no Shana), I even can watch despite I hate hear Aria's voice by Kugimiya rather than Iguchi.
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2010-12-22, 11:08 | Link #76 |
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I usually don't like getting hyped for the spring season when winter hasn't even started, but this is looking damn good.
Definitely watching: - Ao no Exorcist (fun manga on Nichigo, the series I'll be fanboying over the most for sure) - Sekaiichi Hatsukoi (I'm faaaar from being a Nakamura Shungiku fan, but a BL TV series is always fun anyway, and could make up for the cocktease disappointment Togainu ended up being) - Hana Saku Iroha (oh how I missed you, my true tears P.A. Works!) - Deadman Wonderland (Manglobe, please, a decent adaptation?) - Steins;Gate (as it's already been said, a highly-regarded 5pb./Nitro+ game with a capable team to adapt it this time around, woo~) Then Sket Dance and the noitaminA series are fairly probable (though the latter are leaving me skeptical for the first time in a few seasons: Nakamura Kenji series unfortunately aren't my cup of tea, and the single picture we've got of AnoHana isn't all that promising).
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