2009-03-04, 23:18 | Link #21 |
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well the difference with planetarian and tomoyo after is that tomoyo after clashes with what is canon in clannad, and to a fan who felt tomoyo after was not as great of a work as clannad was, having the question of canon come up is a little frustrationg, its like saying turkey is less like turkey than chicken. if that made any sense.
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2009-03-05, 01:16 | Link #23 | |||
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I did always feel it was sort of a "Take That!" to people who didn't like the Nagisa scenario, given TA's ending, though... Quote:
Still gotta play Planetarian though. How long is the game, anyway? |
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2009-03-05, 01:31 | Link #26 | ||
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Tomoyo After is Maeda Jun's rawest emotional piece of work to date. If you really want to see how his brain ticks, that's the game to play. Quote:
It's really trivialising the message in TA if all you can see is the "depressing" part, there's some serious lessons in life to be learnt in TA, more so than Clannad. Clannad still has too many elements of escaptist fantasy in it like previous Key work, whereas TA toss them out the window. In terms otf maturity and meaning I rate TA over Clannad anyday.
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2009-03-05, 01:32 | Link #27 |
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well all I know is that the team that did work on clannad was not there to work on ta, that's just the impression I got. So my point would be how would put in terms of canon in the clannad world. k thanks, I got it flipped around. yea i'll definitely check this out after I clear some of the games I've started already.
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2009-03-05, 01:33 | Link #28 |
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I understand Planetarian is a sadder story than AIR. But it is a Key product. Sad is expected.
As for Tomoyo After...as a movie...I don't know. It won't exactly be Clannad, but then it really isn't...it is a seperate game entirely. Also don't Tomoyo and Tomoya get rather um physical in TA?
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2009-03-05, 01:45 | Link #30 | ||||
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Sure it's sad and emotional and all, but it just feels so pointless and MEAN. Sort of saying "Here's what happens when he DOESN'T pick Nagisa. Now stop bitching." ...Maybe we can finally get a female lead that no one complains about with Rin Natsume... Quote:
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2009-03-05, 01:51 | Link #32 | ||
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That's how things work in anime. Real life is somewhere in between... no EPIC TRAGEDIES but no DEUS EX either. That said, I vastly prefer happy endings in my fiction. Personal preference. Quote:
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2009-03-05, 02:01 | Link #33 | |
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The message is in the pathway leading to the end, just because something bad happens it doesn't negates the good times and experiences that happens during. Plus it says a lot about how life *really* works, the point, as pointed out by Maeda Jun is to get people to face reality more and be less engrossed in escaptist fantasy (do take into consideration that anime/manga/game escaptist is quite a heavy social problem in Japan, so Maeda Jun is trying to be a bit more responsible here too). Be able to pick youself up again after being defeated - that's the beauty of the message in TA.
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2009-03-05, 02:20 | Link #34 | ||
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I happen to be an idealist, despite my love of angsty and cynical fiction, and I believe that life isn't as bad as more serious works make it out to be. Life is more neutral than EVERYTHING BAD HAPPENS AT ONCE FOR NO REAL REASON. Quote:
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Some things I say may be inaccurate, mainly because I haven't played TA and have no wish to, but... Also, as I have stated, life does not really work that way either. Life is full of happy AND sad things, and you CAN be rewarded for lots of hard work, although luck and talent have an equal share in success. |
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2009-03-05, 02:36 | Link #35 | ||
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Also there were happy things in TA as well, and epic trageties does happen in real life (a sudden passing away of a love one is FAR from unrealistic, though the incident causing it might be, as in the case of entertainment), you really shouldn't make assumptions when you haven't played the game. Quote:
Also of course you *can* be rewarded for hardwork, *can* being the modifier. TA doesn't exclude that possibility (in fact it includes it in many ways too). However it is not you WILL MOST DEFINITELY be rewarded for hardwork, which is what a lot of entertainment work does (even in Clannad). What TA does is present the other scenario when things don't go "right".
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2009-03-05, 02:48 | Link #36 |
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Interesting debate...considering it is a rumor...at best right now.
A 30 minute ova/movie would be too short to do any of the routes aside from the main one I'm guessing. So basically the Toei "Clannad" treatment, just with "Tomoyo After" instead?
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2009-03-05, 03:43 | Link #38 | |
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Tha being said, I hope it gets subbed. I would love to watch it, and I too hope they keep the same voice actor. He's amazing.
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2009-03-05, 04:31 | Link #39 |
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30 minutes for Planetarian can be enough, but 60 for Tomoyo After isn't really. Anyway it's good to hear about an animation versions if this rumour is true.
Some offtopic: I still haven't played only one their VN - Little Busters. How long is EX version for all routes ? You can compare it to Clannad. |
2009-03-05, 04:39 | Link #40 |
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Well, TA to me wasn't nearly as crippling as Planetarian due to the actual scope of the discussion regarding humanity through the piece. Post-apocalyptic world is not uncommon in fiction, but by nuclear holocaust makes Planetarian slightly taboo to the Japanese mind. Whereas TA feels like a more constrained piece of interpersonal malodrama focused on Tomoya and Tomoyo, Planetarian speaks volume on the very contradiction of beauty and the unsightly nature to humanity.
I do think that Tomoyo After should be a mini-series in its own right instead of 60 minute length too. I wonder if KyoAni is only going to focus on the principal path then... Looking back on why Planetarian made more impression to me, the (lack of) silver lining from a world already ablazed and people made broken, coupled with a bitter aftertaste of space-age naiveté, followed with the definition of humanity itself and completed with that neverending dream of reaching for the stars sealed the deal for me. (why does it feel as if I am writing about Fallout 3...?)
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