2012-03-09, 13:30 | Link #28101 | |
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If we asume, that it was "Beatrice", whose hand writing that was, then i present following theory: While Yasuda discussed Mysteries with Battler, she discussed fantasy stories with Maria... including the message bottles. In EP1-2 Maria was an accomplice after all. So to show her respect to her pupil-witch, she signed with her name. I still think they were written pre-incident... shortly after she heard that Battler returns, of course. |
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2012-03-09, 14:10 | Link #28102 |
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That just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
"As a show of respect, I'm going to make everyone think you wrote these stories even though a casual investigation will prove that you didn't." It doesn't really add up. If everything - from the bottles to Maria's diary - were a hoax, I could maybe view it as a "clue" of sorts: "You've got the message in front of you, now look in Maria's diary to find my handwriting there. I'm not Maria, but now you have more hints as to who I really am!" But that's about it.
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Although couldn't Genji hire someone for that job? Given how he introduced Yasuda into Rokujima, told Yasu that it could be arranged that the gold gets converted into cash, it is possible that he could find someone to do that. More so that there is still Kruass who could probably do that anyway if he knew about it. Genji could just bring that up after Kinzo's death that someone should think about what to do with the explosives. Quote:
You bring up murder intent but let me ask you this. If you take your friends and family to a dangerous location to do something that you feel is important and you are aware that it is a real possibility that someone could die. Does that mean that you brought them to that place with any intent to murder? Certainly you are endangering their lives for perhaps a selfish reason but that is not necessarily murderous intent. At the very least I could see that as a self justification for Yasuda why she would do that. Though the end it is possible that she flipped the switch with the intent to turn it off like you said. Quote:
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Although is there any indication that Yasu is not a disturbed teenager given the amount of issues that she has? You could say that is a cop-out answer to declare her "disturbed" but that seems to be a reasonable assumption. Though we could debate to what extent that Yasu is disturbed from bathing in the blood of her relatives after a murderous rampage or just having an overactive imagination. |
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It would make sense she would find hard to kill Maria personally. Banquet however was written by the duo Hachijo Toya and Toya might have had no problem in 'killing' Maria earlier in his tale. Also it was Eva Beatrice who chose Maria as next victim. This can be a metaphor to imply an interference in the original Beatrice/Yasuda's plans in which Maria wasn't supposed to be killed that early in the tales. Quote:
There are some stories who're written in first person by a character who is... well dead during the story (or dies before the story reaches its end), or he's in coma or something. Of course if that's the case no one would believe it was the real Maria that was writing the story but hey, it could be interesting. |
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2012-03-09, 14:37 | Link #28105 | ||
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I certainly think that Kanon made an appearance at Jessica's school once, but that doesn't mean that Yasu dressed as Kanon at home (although that doesn't preclude Yasu from "play-acting" Kanon privately around people like Maria, Genji, and maybe Jessica). And if that's the case, then Natsuhi and everyone else may never have even "met" Kanon. Quote:
There's also the sense of power it might give her, which Yasu's Beatrice side might take pleasure in. She may never really intend to use it, but like the fact that she could. This probably applies even better to Kinzo's motive in having it than to Yasu's, actually. Ah yes I had forgotten that. He doesn't even seem to exist in that entire Tea Party. I don't think there's much to explain. Signing the stories "The Golden Witch, Beatrice" wasn't subtle enough, so Yasu used Maria's name. People are more inclined to believe things that they feel they came up with by themselves than things they were simply told to believe. Especially those conspiracy-theorist (Witch Hunter) types. |
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2012-03-09, 15:09 | Link #28106 | |
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Just popped into my mind. Sounds kind of silly. |
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2012-03-09, 15:10 | Link #28107 | ||
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As far as the "Yasu doesn't ever want to use it, but feels no desire to do anything about it" thing goes, it's plausible enough. Still, you'd think she'd be a bit more circumspect about the whole thing. Quote:
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2012-03-09, 17:48 | Link #28108 |
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But then there would be no need for the duel in EP 6. Unless Jessica fell in love with Shannon dressed up as Kanon, and for the sake of Jessica, Yasu decided to give Kanon a proper form. Although I doubt that Jessica would be able to see past something like that.
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Because I always found odd how, with more people on the island, the servants would be less then usual... though I seem to remember that somewhere it was said there were more servants than Shannon, Kanon, Genji, Gohda and Kumasawa... though it's also possible that due to echonomical problems Krauss fired theother servants but in front of the cousins merely said they 'were on a holiday' or something... Quote:
Unless Toya's memories contain deceptions directed at us or Shannon dressed up as Kanon during the family conference and the others kept up the deception of Kanon working for the Ushiromiya by a while... Quote:
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tl:dr, the 5 servants present during the conference is actually way more than they'd usually have present at once, since they have so many guests coming, and all but Godha are helpful for keeping Kinzo's crazy, dead-ass kind of alive. The gnitty-gritty of "Where do these people sleep on their off days? The orphanage?" or "Why isn't Shannon going to school anymore?" go kind of unaddressed. Also, considering Masayuki and Sakabichi were only able to access two of many safety deposit boxes, I've often thought that the others were Yasu having bribed the hell out of other Fukuin servants and possibly administrators to lie about Kanon. I dunno. |
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2012-03-12, 00:09 | Link #28111 |
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I finished umineko a little bit ago and was discussing with a friend about something and wanted some clarification: How many bodies are actually on the island? The general consensus is that there are 17? But from what Battler said at the very end of Ep6 he seems to suggest there are 16? "I am the visitor, the 18th human on Rokkenjima!! [......Sorry, but...] Even if you do join us- There are 17 people" Doesn't that suggest, WITH Erika, there would be 17 people, but since Erika doesn't actually exist the actual number is in fact 16? |
2012-03-12, 00:20 | Link #28112 |
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Yes. There are only 16 living people on Rokkenjima.
Fun fact: the number of pieces a player starts with in a game of chess is also 16. There were a lot of scenes where Ryuukishi was making chess analogies throughout the game, so you could say this was hinted from the very beginning, in a sense.
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However, it is still unknown whether Yasu was really the culprit in the real world or not.
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Who knows how serisouly the real Jessica thought of Kanon... Quote:
Also, it's possible that showing Kanon's sprite doesn't mean that Yasu made a physical appearance as Kanon. You know how RK07 likes to use sprites in confusing ways... I think you're missing something. There are lots of things people argue about, but rarely do people argue against ShKanon. Although people will argue for their particular interpretation of it... |
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Well, I guess until ep6, many people are still in denial, because, to be honest, the Skhanon thing did not make sense in many way of interpretation. Until the game kinda scream it in your face in ep7, I guess not many people arguing against it anymore, but rather whether Shkanon is supposed to be the truth in Prime or just fiction, or details like that.
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2012-03-12, 09:28 | Link #28117 |
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Episode 8 seems to suggest that in Prime no murders happened. At least that's what Beatrice seems to imply. She tells Ange that it was her fault for writing those message bottles that everyone thinks the serial murders happened.
However there's Eva and her refusal to reveal the truth. So something must have happened. Perhaps someone dying in an accident (like it was shown in EP7). And the novel suggest that she either hid it for Ange's sake or for Hideyoshi's and George's (for George's sake she could have kept quiet about Shannon being the culprit too).
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True ... well, it kinda HAD to be developed in the fictions, since we were almost explicitly told that at best, in Prime, Jessica harbored a crush, but that was about it. It would be kind of odd if R07 had fabricated their feelings, since he went out of his way to verify that ShannonxGeorge was genuine in an interview. |
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2012-03-12, 14:28 | Link #28119 | |
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2012-03-12, 14:47 | Link #28120 |
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Sorta temporarily dont have access to the internet...
... but concerning the bomb, a funny idea... I was thinking that although completely absurd, its not any worst then the current accepted idea to think that the explosives were deforestation and excavation tools bought by Krauss who attempted to find Kinzos hidden gold. It's crazy and stupid, yeah, but at least it doesn't make anyone into a demon. |
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