2012-03-16, 20:29 | Link #41 |
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In terms of which I prefer... well, there are things on both sides of the coin. On one had, technology was far more limited than it is today, and thus you couldn't get certain details. But on the other hand... because so much today is done via CG, whereas most of the old stuff was hand drawn, there's just a certainly quality to the old stuff that the new stuff is lacking. Take the Studio Ghibli films for instance- I'm not sure how true it is with their more recent stuff, but I understand that Miyazaki would hand draw the animation, and we should all be familiar with the quality that is produced.
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2012-03-16, 21:38 | Link #42 |
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How about naming artists or Chara designers from those decades? Me? Tsukasa Hojo of City Hunter fame, Shingo Araki WHO made the designs for Saint Seiya animation, Narumi Kakinouchi WHO did Vampire Princess Miyu, Yoshiyuki Sadamoto the Eva designer.What about the one guy who designed Golden Boy AND Cowboy Bebop?? Yasuhiro Nightow? Not to say that 2000s are without designers or artists devoid of merits, that woman who did the designs for denpa onna and yamibou or the Jcstaff guy behind the designs of To Aru anime. Those guys are gold and What decade they are from, I dont give a flying fuck. I watch anime for the chars,stories and universes,not because that one series was made in the mute era and that it made my dong bigger thanyall.
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2012-03-16, 22:00 | Link #43 |
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The thing about 80s anime characters is that...well...they don't look like anime characters. 90s characters look too "raw." If I'm going to watch anime, I prefer the crispness of 2000s design. I'd have to say that the Haruhi anime probably best exemplifies my favorite visual style.
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2012-03-16, 22:27 | Link #44 |
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I like both the '80s style' and the modern styles... but the 80s styles used, well, 80s hairstyles (like Dirty Pair) and fashion. They tend to look like they're headed for the disco for a Beegees marathon.
The other thing is that there seems to a greater variety in modern styles (compare Kurozuka, Moribito, K-ON!, Lucky*Star, Haruhi, Lov*Com, 5cm/s, etc --- it would be really hard to take someone seriously who thinks those "all look alike".
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Personally, I enjoy anime artwork of every era; even some of the very early anime like the 1960s Sally the Witch look attractive to me. I think that 1980s artwork gets the job done perfectly well (Not to mention being very charming and nostalgic - as a kid born in the late '80s, I of course have a very soft spot for things of that era), but I don't think it's better than modern anime. Even if I was one of those grumpy 'Moe is the cancer killing the anime industry, it's just lolishit and bishounens blah blah fucking blah, they just don't make anime like they did back in MY day... get on my knee, sonny, and let me tell you about the first time I watched Cowboy Bebop, now THAT'S a real anime...' people, I still doubt very old anime would be my preference because the '90s were damn gorgeous. Spoiler for space:
I don't tend to think of characters as looking younger than their actual age, or men looking too effeminate, either. The Lucky Star characters look like teenagers to me, just with a cute art style (Wheras a lot of people say they look like elementary schoolers), and I've been hearing 'All anime guys look like girls!' claims since Final Fantasy 7 even though the vast majority of characters have always very plainly looked male to me. Quote:
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And with the "beautiful guys" ... again its a mistake in visual cues. Look at a manly lean asian guy (samurai, athlete, etc -- Bruce Lee, for example). Those "lots of people" would call him feminine (before they lost consciousness from head trauma ). I consider this related to the "the way it is in my neighborhood is the way it is around the world" mistake people without a lot of global awareness make. Quote:
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RAYEARTHZ!! Yes....they certainly were. it bugged me when they went off-model but they will always have a special place in my heart. Quote:
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both are terrible but in different ways. it's really hard to say which one is least bad, but I think in the end I prefer the 80's style, probably because I've had less exposure to it.
Some (rare) manga has good character design, but really, if you like that sort of stuff just go read Belgian/French comics (bandes dessinées if you're feeling like they're a separate ~art form~ like manga apparently is) instead. edit: and by that I mostly mean things like Blueberry or Thorgal, not really Asterix (even though that, too, has great character designs in its own way). Quote:
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2012-03-17, 07:13 | Link #53 | |
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Compare Kenshiro, with any leads of the Big Three of the 2000s, because HnK IS a shounen manga. Compare Tomoya Okazaki to Kyosuke Kasuga from Kimagure Orange Road. And there you can talk. The comparison between the two is a big stretch, but ultimately, Clannad and Orange Road are tales of growth, and I cannot say that, in term of personality, character development and depth, Tomoya Okazaki does that bad unlike what you make it to be. And before you accuse me of anti-1980s bias, I watched BOTH series and Madoka hold a special place in my heart, for starting my love for bishoujos with long dark hair. While Hikaru irritated the shit out of me for getting of the way of my shipping, so I'll take Kyou and Tomoyo over her anytime. However, Naruto is more comparable to Son Goku than Kenshiro, while Ichigo is more comparable to Yusuke Urameshi. And Luffy is... well, Luffy, perhaps more comparable to pre-Z Son Goku. |
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2012-03-17, 10:51 | Link #54 |
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I like both artstyles, myself.
There's just something awesome about the 80s to 90s hand-drawn style that you don't see anymore with CGI and stuff... Especially badasses like Kenshiro from Fist of the North Star, or Yujiro Hanma from Baki the Grappler. Compare Slayers Season 1 to Slayers Try to Slayers Revolution for a comparison between late 80s/early-90's, mid-90s and modern animation techniques. As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with current animation, it can allow for some really smooth battle sequences and effects that weren't present in the 80s. Again, compare Slayers, this time Shabranigdo from Season 1 to the final battle in Evolution R for a direct comparison. Shows that were made in the late 80s through the early 90s have similar artstyles and aren't too bad. Of course, I'm of the opinion that as long as the animation is too wooden and the characters aren't just standing around most of the time, it ends up being really good. It's why I can't go back and rewatch Voltron too much. Great show, lots of nostalgia, but if I watch the animation, I start to groan at it.
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2012-03-17, 11:11 | Link #55 | ||
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2012-03-17, 11:20 | Link #56 |
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Imagine Fluff in a fez, smoking jacket, looking jaded and cynical when you read his posts. Fansubbers tend to sound like that after a few years .
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2012-03-17, 11:30 | Link #57 |
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Well, TheFluff have a point, my brothers eventually grew out of anime style drawing because their styles needed to evolve, and being influenced exclusively by anime is NOT the way to be (Edit: I will name the "same face" syndrome that many manga artists suffers from, while westerners tries to make their characters' facial features different). Few manga artists ever meet critical respect from those in art circles, as far as I know, only Hirohiko Araki have had the honor to have his art featured in a french museum. And when that guy got commissioned a comic by the staff of one of the most important museums of France, and the world, you know how much of a big deal it is.
Chiibi, I think that you need to look out more, curiosity and broadening your tastes is not going to kill you. Try to do like some of us does, look at everything and take the best out of everything. Because otherwise, you turn out no better than some of the oldef@gs who thinks that turning back the clock and stop it at their decade of choice is being for the best. I like the 1980s as much as those who grew up in that time period, but no way I gonna trade my broadband internet, android smartphone, easy availability of anime and collection of anime figurines for the possibility to watch my vintage anime at their premieres.
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You can prefer the busy, scratchy anime character designs with muted colors of the 80s or the tight clean lined alternatives with intense colors and shading of modern anime, that's just a matter of taste. However that says little about the quality of the character designs. I'm not sure if the choice is intentional but the original designs of the 80s characters that you showed have been done by Rumiko Takahashi, Yoshikazu Yasuhiko and Haruhiko Mikimoto. They are some of the best mangaka and illustrators who have worked on anime. The pictures you linked are from long running TV series and low budget ova, those don't do their designs any justice. Compare for example more recent anime adaptions of their work. It will make it hopefully more clear why these artists are so well respected among anime fans. Spoiler for New comparison:
As you can see these 80s designers are more than capable of creating bishoujo/nen using their own styles as well. In my opinion the general approach to character design hasn't changed that much over time. Sure, the 90s added Shoujo manga influences, as can be seen in the works of the CLAMP-girls, the 2000s added some VN visuals which can be seen in the Da Capo character, but it all remains instantly recognizable as anime. A good design remains a good design no matter when it was done. Off course there are always people who refuse to watch anything out of their comfort zone whether old or new but that is their loss. |
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