Gundam Seed/Seed Destiny General Discussion Thread

[Zeydra]

Latest episode of SEED Remaster is out.

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[Aquaman OS]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Just to make my above question clearer:
How do you know that Durandal/Destiny Plan loyalists are not the majority in ZAFT? Thus, Terminal must really have a lot of members to replace them all if we go by your theory.

Well for starters, most of the Zaft fleet isn't all that eager to fight Lacus to begin with. More than one that Faith commander guy has to spur them into attacking. Aside from Talia, Shinn, Rey, and those Faith guys, most of Zaft just seemed to be going with the flow, and wasn't totally on board with the Destiny plan. Durandal blowing up his own ships try to enforce it further didn't help.

Once all the known Pro Destiny plan guys were down, Zaft stands down, even though they could have fought to the bitter end, and possibly even still won.

And as people said, Lacus wouldn't be in Zaft in the Special Edition, if all the Durandal supporters weren't dealt with. She wasn't going to play nice with them, she was going to take over. They wouldn't be in Zaft unless the Destiny Plan was stopped dead.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

Well for starters, most of the Zaft fleet isn't all that eager to fight Lacus to begin with. More than one that Faith commander guy has to spur them into attacking. Aside from Talia, Shinn, Rey, and those Faith guys, most of Zaft just seemed to be going with the flow, and wasn't totally on board with the Destiny plan. Durandal blowing up his own ships try to enforce it further didn't help.

Once all the known Pro Destiny plan guys were down, Zaft stands down, even though they could have fought to the bitter end, and possibly even still won.

And as people said, Lacus wouldn't be in Zaft in the Special Edition, if all the Durandal supporters weren't dealt with. She wasn't going to play nice with them, she was going to take over. They wouldn't be in Zaft unless the Destiny Plan was stopped dead.

Your theory is fair enough.

Now, let's go back to the root of this argument. If ZAFT really has been taken over by Lacus' faction, what's stopping Kira from being a member of ZAFT to be officially listed as Lacus protector? Surely Kira has no problem with post-Destiny ZAFT if we go with your theory, doesn't he?

[bio9205]

Crossing my fingers that Mu will use the Perfect Strike for the final battle.

[monster]

I'm starting to think this remaster is already done with the Perfect Strike, oh well.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

I do like to see Perfect Strike vs Providence, but maybe that's asking too much . C'mon Sunrise, be generous a little will ya!

[Destined_Fate]

Originally Posted by D-KLAC

what?!

give we're only 2yrs from now 10th year of GSD with also being 35th year of gundam (still pull for female lead gundam tv series pilot)

unless pull romeo & juliet ending on kira-lacus or athrun-cagalli or even both either way get ask those in sunrise when GS era coming back?

Romeo and Juliet would only work for Kira and Lacus if Lacus was evil or something. At the end of Destiny they're well situated and Lacus has taken over ZAFT fully. Athrun and Cagalli are said to have mended fences and got back together after Destiny but it's all off-screen. If they did do a movie it would be better with them getting back together on screen.

[Gundamx]

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Romeo and Juliet would only work for Kira and Lacus if Lacus was evil or something. At the end of Destiny they're well situated and Lacus has taken over ZAFT fully. Athrun and Cagalli are said to have mended fences and got back together after Destiny but it's all off-screen. If they did do a movie it would be better with them getting back together on screen.

Or they can just let the world know that Kira was first EAF ACE MS pilot (all other MS pilot = dead) and because of his OS that every Natural can pilot MS don't to mention that even though he is Coordinator he join EAF.

I doubt they will approve such a person to be in romance Relationship with Lacus

By the way, since when >> one of Romeo and Juliet was evil?
Wasn't it about their family/country not accepting their love?
(Family/country A hate family/country B.)

[kaito-kid]

Originally Posted by Gundamx

Or they can just let the world know that Kira was first EAF ACE MS pilot (all other MS pilot = dead) and because of his OS that every Natural can pilot MS don't to mention that even though he is Coordinator he join EAF.

I doubt they will approve such a person to be in romance Relationship with Lacus

By the way, since when >> one of Romeo and Juliet was evil?
Wasn't it about their family/country not accepting their love?
(Family/country A hate family/country B.)

I don't think there is a lot of evidence to support such claim. He did perfect the Gundam OS, but he was not an active collaborator + The Strike's pilot (He is better known to the EA as the Strike's pilot) is dead and all the people from ZAFT and EA who knew his true identity are also dead by the end of Seed. For example, Shinn didn't know who Kira was until the last episode, even though he studied the Freedom extensively.

Other than a selected few, no one really knows the identity of Freedom's pilot. So I doubt that someone in ZAFT would even come up with the idea that he might also be the Strike's pilot.

[Rising Dragon]

On top of that, the EA already had an ace MS pilot in the form of Jean Carrey, before Kira joined their ranks.

[monster]

Originally Posted by Znozzy

Honestly, the SF didn't gethurt in the final battle at all, there is no reason for him to switch to a new mobile suit again,

Two reasons:

1. Story-wise, like I said, it helps to smooth his integration with ZAFT.

2. Show-wise, Bandai gets to sell a new model.

and seriously, what else could they possibly att to it? a second pair of wings, dual railcannons/chestblasters and double barrel beam guns?

If Kira gets a new mobile suit, there's nothing to add.

Originally Posted by Gundamx

Or they can just let the world know that Kira was first EAF ACE MS pilot

Who are they and why would they do that?

I don't understand why some people want the CE public to know of Kira's past. It just doesn't fit with his character, in my opinion.

[Destined_Fate]

Originally Posted by Gundamx

Or they can just let the world know that Kira was first EAF ACE MS pilot (all other MS pilot = dead) and because of his OS that every Natural can pilot MS don't to mention that even though he is Coordinator he join EAF.

I doubt they will approve such a person to be in romance Relationship with Lacus

By the way, since when >> one of Romeo and Juliet was evil?
Wasn't it about their family/country not accepting their love?
(Family/country A hate family/country B.)

It's because Kira is too naive to be evil while Lacus has been shown to be spiteful and the jealous type. Such as when Kira was trying to reach Flay and everything Lacus remained silent and looked angry. After Kira passed out she immediately started hitting on him and saying that he made her happy when he woke up. Naturally the Kira clung to Lacus like he did with Flay.

Which means the separate bed thing must be because of Kira's guilt over Flay and that Lacus snared him in when he was hurting most just like Flay did!

[Washu-Chan]

Going off-topic, recall how Kenichi Suzumura said that the SRWZ incarnation of Shinn was "the true Shinn in his heart", and how Rie Tanaka said that Lacus was the hardest role she played?

What would the Seed/GSD characters be like if the VAs were given a bit of free reign over how they portray them? Also, is it possible that they can also influence the storyline?

If this was true, I can imagine Kira's VA going Christian Bale/Shawn Michaels/Triple H on Fukuda after the Shinn vs. Kira duel in episode 34.

I read somewhere that they changed Yzak's character to fit his VA's acting style.

[Rising Dragon]

Why do you keep making nonsensical Batman/wrestling comparisons to Gundam SEED?

[Washu-Chan]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Why do you keep making nonsensical Batman/wrestling comparisons to Gundam SEED?

I'm talking about Christian Bale's rant during Terminator: Salvation's production.

[Destined_Fate]

If Shinn got the development he needed like he does in the Z Saga than Destiny would have been much better. For some reason Banpresto was able to figure out that Shinn was the Main Character and not Kira or Athrun while the Mastermind behind Destiny had no idea who the Main Character was.

[zeroexia]

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

If Shinn got the development he needed like he does in the Z Saga than Destiny would have been much better. For some reason Banpresto was able to figure out that Shinn was the Main Character and not Kira or Athrun while the Mastermind behind Destiny had no idea who the Main Character was.

I hear a lot about how SRW made Destiny's story better but what did they change? I've never actually found out what the story of SRW's Destiny was.

So what makes it that much better?

[Kirayuki]

Originally Posted by zeroexia

I hear a lot about how SRW made Destiny's story better but what did they change? I've never actually found out what the story of SRW's Destiny was.

So what makes it that much better?

In Z, Shinn doesn't return to ZAFT/side with Dullindal if you pick the right choice.

[zeroexia]

Originally Posted by Kirayuki

In Z, Shinn doesn't return to ZAFT/side with Dullindal if you pick the right choice.

......that one sentence automatically makes it better then. Makes much more sense that the lead gundam and main character would go on the side of JUSTICE AND FREEDOM. although Destiny Gundam's symbolism would lose meaning.

[I Fail at Life]

If you wanna be politically incorrect: Basically throw Kira under the bus (turn around in that same game, and make up for it in a different way, so not to anger fans) and Glorify Shinn.

Politically Correct speaking: Have shinn make better choices. Have him react different to situations, and the people around him. Trully become Kamille of the new era. And if there is something I missed, please feel free to add.

Only problem I have with this, is that it comes off as them playing God (and I don't know about that). They act like they have the script from Destiny, where shinn turns out differently then it's Counerpart. I don't care how good/bad someone's work is, you don't toy with someone's story, just cause you think you can write something better (not with that kind of mentality at least). Acting like they got the Original script of how Shinn was supposed to turnout, and the game is just their meduim of getting it out there. It's really just the equivalent of a FanFic.

Pretty much it.