2010-06-06, 20:08 | Link #7701 | |
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Anyway, the guy deserved it. Sure, it's short sighted not to take better conservation efforts for that type of tuna, but what they did amounts to piracy. I don't see why these greenpeace people should be treated any different than Somali pirates.
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2010-06-06, 21:31 | Link #7702 | |
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Somali pirate are often poor fishmen than do what they can do to get some money. Greenpeace peoples are using willingly violent way for ideology I am not sure which one deserve more pity.
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2010-06-06, 22:46 | Link #7704 | |
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Afghanistan - A man hands you a rocket and tells you that if you shoot it at this specific target, he will pay you. This is more money than you'd every get for a while, and your family is starving to death. What do you do? Somalia - You hear of these men who go out to sea and acquire food, money, and all that. You need to feed yourself and your family, and cannot see another way to acquire sustenance. What do you do? Now, if you were educated and grew up in better conditions, the answer would not be to take the violent approach and find some other means. Many of the people in these regions are illiterate and have no connection to the outside world. Greenpeace however is full of literate, educated people from countries whose conditions are mostly stable. That's the distinction I think ganbaru and Kamui were trying to make in their posts. |
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2010-06-06, 23:39 | Link #7706 | |
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There's a difference betweem the ''terrorists''( the expandables ones) doing the dirty work and the other ones ( more educated for example) than simply command the organisation.
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2010-06-07, 00:37 | Link #7707 | |
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http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Suicide_bombing Came up with those on the first page of yahoo. Nowhere in there do I read economics as a factor for why they do what they do. I think whoever told you that economics was the primary reason, was either lying to you, or foolish. I've read more than a few stories, about these people coming from good families. Obviously most are not rich, but they still come from middle class families more often than not. |
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2010-06-07, 01:01 | Link #7708 | |
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2010-06-07, 10:27 | Link #7709 | |
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2010-06-07, 11:05 | Link #7710 | |
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But I digress. We will just have to disagree on this. |
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2010-06-07, 11:13 | Link #7711 | ||
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However, there is a biography named "Story of a Part-Time Indian" who quoted that "poverty teaches people how to be poor", so which means that being poor comes with the mentality of not being able to do anything except give up your life. I am not surprised that people will go to any extent just to earn something called "money". Quote:
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2010-06-07, 11:24 | Link #7712 | |
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2010-06-07, 11:38 | Link #7713 | ||
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Those kids are just act punks. I was confronted once by a similar group of small kids "claiming that I was looking at them" (wtf, why would I want to stare at them for their retro style?). I simply stared down and asked, "Which one?" One of them threatened me to a fight. I simply held up my handphone and showed them that I was calling the police, and told them to scram. Luckily there is still sensible ones in the group to drag that idiot away ; given my lack of regard for human life, I wouldn't have hesitated to push him onto the busy road as a roadkill. Singapore has changed, but apparently the youngsters are still as stupid. In a recent news report about littering, NEA officials still book the litterbugs despite them being in numbers and the males acting threatening to the officials. Not only they came up with dumb arguments like , "Don't know." , "It was already there when I came here.", etc, some of them even try to cajole the officer into closing an eye. So much for the 8th core value. EDIT : I just noticed that the cameraman spelt "graffiti" wrongly with an extra "I". DOUBLE EDIT : I am not sure if this belongs here, but given the element of seriousness of Japanese Politics beneath its humourous reporting, I shall put it here - NSFW Sankaku : LDP in Evangelion Cosplay Appeal Quote:
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2010-06-07, 11:55 | Link #7714 |
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None of this is news to me, which is why I never tried to argue that they're all in it for the money. I'm just saying that some portion of them are local hired guns who are joining in because they're poor and desperate.
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2010-06-07, 12:00 | Link #7715 | ||
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2010-06-07, 12:08 | Link #7716 | |
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Anyway, those aren't enough. There is a small trick I always like to use : wear my bag on one side, and when the knee bends on that side, I drop a litter. If it can be torn into smaller bits, I will do it so as to be inconspicuous. Had done that for 5-6 years and never caught once. Of course, it is good to see that they have more bins around so I don't have to hold my litter in my hand or pocket. Wish they are bigger though, and kept more inwards to the bus stands so they don't raise a huge stink after it rains. Then again, we could fix GPS transponders to every bin in Singapore so it can be linked to the Iphone or any similar GPS device......
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2010-06-07, 15:03 | Link #7717 |
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I see nothing wrong with Singapore's response to assholes who dirty public places or spray graffiti everywhere. Here's a comparison:
A couple of years ago in NYC, the 13yo son of an Israeli immigrant broke into an MTA Long Island Railroad yard in Long Island City (it's in Queens, right across the East River from Manhattan, right where the tunnels open) to spray graffiti. The little douche got exactly what he deserved, but thousands of commuters including myself got delayed for hours while the workers scraped up his remains. A few weeks later, his mother sued the MTA, claiming that his death was their fault for not making sure that the perimeter fence did not have holes in it. Of course, the MTA is run by suckers, who settled the suit and as usual, commuters have to end up paying with higher fares. The worst part was the idiots who claimed that the kid did not deserve to die for spraying graffiti, missing the point that he was stupid enough to do it on a busy, well-used section of railway. If only the courts were allowed to punish that money-grubbing b---- for raising a punk. In Singapore: Graffiti --> jail, fine, and whipping In USA: Graffiti --> profit (for punk's mom).
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2010-06-07, 15:20 | Link #7718 |
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I wish the government in Canada was as fast as that in Singapore.
@Justsomeguy True, it's profit; but it was a rather big price to pay; still didn't mean that she should had have any case. You don't sue gun companies if you shoot yourself in the head believing the safety was on. It think a lot of the litter problem just comes with laziness. Most people don't like keeping a bunch of garbage in their pockets and some are too lazy to find a bin; though sometimes we don't know where the bins are Public awareness will help.
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2010-06-07, 16:25 | Link #7719 | ||
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Besides, our legal system is written with certain loopholes so that it can be flexed to suit logical sense, so the CJ can tell the mum to fly a kite if that happens. I do remember the Michael Fay case where the Americans were protesting about the caning being barbaric, and Clinton supposedly asked Singapore to cancel it. We only reduced the number of strokes "in favour of keeping cordial relations with the United States" : he still got spanked.
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2010-06-07, 17:55 | Link #7720 | |
Sensei, aishite imasu
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It's really fantastic that the Media and the politicians got all outraged at some punk kid getting smacked up for acting like a shit head in other countries. Weren't there more serious matters to worry about? |
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