2007-05-18, 01:26 | Link #41 | |
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filtering is still the real key though. oh and perhaps, easier to learn and less need in custom quantizer matrix?
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2007-05-18, 02:35 | Link #42 |
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Actually, I'd say there is one agreed upon use of H.264.
High def/high resolution encodes. For 640x480 or 704x400 resolutions, xvid can give quite good (though not nearly as good as x264) results in <200 MB filesizes, once you get into the 720p or even 1080p resolutions, you really start to see xvid's limitations. To get a decent looking encode at 720p, you need filesizes from 350 - 500 MB with xvid. H.264 gives great results down to 200 MB even on such HD resolutions. Basically, the higher the resolution, the more benefit you can get out of using the more advanced codec. The tradeoff is that it takes a decent (newer than, say 3 years) old computer to playback H.264 at 1280x720, and a Core 2 duo to playback 1920x1080 stuff (not like anything is broadcast like that, but if OVAs or movies start being released on Blu-ray, we might begin to see true 1080p raws for things that aren't licensed).
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2007-05-18, 09:15 | Link #43 | |
翻訳家わなびぃ
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2007-05-22, 12:50 | Link #45 |
Give them the What For!
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Starks, Negima is not and has never been in HD. The raw you have is the friday airing on BSI. Bsi upscaled. When I encoded it it was easy to tell. It aired tuesday in 4:3 and 16:9 on thursday. The show is not vfr. The ending is though.
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2007-05-23, 12:43 | Link #46 | |
I see what you did there!
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2007-05-25, 09:46 | Link #48 |
Away for good
Join Date: Mar 2006
Age: 35
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Going back on topic....
I plan to release DVD rips of old and new stuff which isn't licensed, and probably never will be. After following the history of divx3.11alpha -> divx4/5 -> WMV3(9) / XviD 1.1 (some DivX 6 also... wasn't that happy with the results) and now H264. I finally settled down with H264 (or what you may now want to call it: decoder/encoder wise!) (still waiting for Snow tho) I know the gains from going VFR rather than CFR, but i don't feel like playing around with the video content that much. Now what settings (some recommendations here) should I use for Anime and Live recordings? I heard that the profile for MEgui, the AE-Goodquality was a good one but what about Live recordings? Should I hold on to XviD, or should i switch over to H264? I don't wanna smudge nor make the video content to much blurry (even if we don't use that word anymore ) Live stuff is pretty easy to handle compared to Anime. But still... I intend to hold onto the 233mb size for 22-26min episodes, and probably use 128 kbps for audio, so you might have figured out the video bitrate already. Live recordings (and Movies/Series) are gonna be around 350mb-1.5Gb depending on the running time of course. Ill be using 704x400 and 640x480 for the 4:3 stuffish. Ill be using MKV as container, due to that its alot easier to hand out a single file, rather than having an exteral .ass (ill be using softsubs yes) file with an MP4 running apart. I hand over my regards to those that care- -Shounen |
2007-07-17, 00:37 | Link #50 |
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Wow, I just registered to give my 2cent
About the agreement on a community of x264... I don't think it's a bad idea. I don't know if I can talk about warez here, but there're scene rules that scene groups always follow. It would not be too specific to make every group the same, but at least restrict some bad encoding as well as too good encoding. For example, an anime episode should be around 200MB (just an example) and an anime movie should be around 700MB. Then specific file-name rules so that it'd be easy to organize, blah, blah. As for *264, I think a recommended bitrate as well as profile would make it easy to follow. But again, I'm more in the scene than in anime releases, so don't kill me if I said anything wrong. |
2007-07-17, 01:04 | Link #51 | |
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but for the filesize, it's impossible to force to a size. there're many factors need to be considered: resolution, fps, how's the scenes (quiet/explosive/dark/etc), encoding time, etc; and the audio is the same: amount of channel, codec used, etc. at most, there'll be a guidelines. but there won't be an exact size. |
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2007-07-17, 02:25 | Link #52 |
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: ISDB-T
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The scene rules are idiotic. What they have been incredibly successful in doing so far is making more or less everything look like shit, for absolutely no advantages whatsoever except making everything play in shitty DVD players with DivX support.
It doesn't really help that most of the scene encoders are completely clueless newbs that use Gordian Knot, 1-pass ABR XviD and automated dumb IVTC'ing, and care more about short encoding times than high quality...
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2007-07-17, 02:25 | Link #53 |
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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The keyword is "around".
Even though there are a lot of factors, say plus and minus 10MB is okay enough? @TheFluff: Not like anime scene, warez scene is more or less a competition. Groups trying to get their names known and beat the other groups. That's why they try to please as many audience as possible. However, I believe some rules are really good, imho! But I'm not gonna argue about that. |
2007-07-17, 02:38 | Link #54 | |
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Age: 41
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Oh wait...the warez scene has likely the worst quality video in the world. 90% of them use AutoGK/enter newb app or guide here. Guess theres no hope ;-;. Can't teach ignorance how to properly encode. Footnote: Seriously I was once idling in a channel long enough and chatting with said hosers that they asked if I wanted to help with some of the DVDs I had. They said I had to use AutoGK as that is what "everyone" uses. I lulled so hard. AutoGK is 1000x worse then Gordian Knot, you actually have control in Gordian Knot. Someone once told me AutoGK was bad...but I didn't believe him...I had to gaze upon the horror for myself. |
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2007-07-17, 02:59 | Link #55 |
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: ISDB-T
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Another funky thing with the scene rules is that while the rest of the world has happily moved on, the scene remains stuck in 1998. Seriously, people, SVCD!? 512x384 XviD encodes? Not quite as unlikely in 2007 as you may think! (OK, maybe not SVCD anymore, at least not that much. But it was fairly common just two years ago or so, while the rest of the word was just starting to make the switch to MKV/H.264.)
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2007-07-17, 04:15 | Link #57 |
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Didn't I just read that we, well...you, as fansubbers, make fansub as your own, and do not care what others want? Well, if you don't care about other groups, then where is the competition. Of course, there is till competition among "young" groups that do not apply the "true" concept of fansubbing. But as you may ask some pro. fansub group, they only release what they want, and do not race with recent releases.
@TheFluff: I agree. However, as I said before, it's the world where the audience has the most effects on the quality and quantity of releases. The biggest limitation of x264 is that people with old computers will have problems. So.. they choose to follow the majority and stick with the bad quality and resolution. But behold, some scene groups begin to make adjustment. There was also a new scene rules for *264 release few months ago. (even though, rumors said it was fake ) |
2007-07-17, 06:28 | Link #58 | |
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Age: 38
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The scene will not die if they go away. They will be replaced and only the best of the best will be remembered, if at all. It's the competition that's driving many people out of this business. Naturally, some grow old and weary, but the onslaught of countless newly formed groups popping up each season, and the support they're receiving, tells us the leechers aren't exactly looking for a quality fansub experience. They're looking for a fansub experience, period. With the current scene's dynamic fluidity, new groups have no time to settle in, learn the ropes properly, and put out something decent after a year or so. Nobody starts at the top, and so our little scene is staying at the bottom. |
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2007-07-17, 07:49 | Link #59 | |
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i spent 4 hours at work today throwing 72 computers out that were fast enough to play non-hd avc encodes because they were too old.
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2007-07-17, 07:49 | Link #60 | |
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