Character Discussion - Kallen

[Var]

Originally Posted by lovecakecookies

Previews always mislead us.... That's why I am worried... but if she leaves him... will she be "essential" because she left him? That would be dumb

Fuck that, if she leaves what the fuck was the point of the last twenty-one episodes of her screen time. They keep playing on the fact that she loves him...

[incorrupts]

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Will you people just get over the whole sex scene crap? Its not gonna happen.

It's a joke.

And agree with Var, if Kallen leaves then what was the fucking point? {thus i think that we are safe from that now, we got screwed WAY too much this season.}

[lovecakecookies]

Originally Posted by Var

Fuck that, if she leaves what the fuck was the point of the last twenty-one episodes of her screen time. They keep playing on the fact that she loves him...

That's what I am saying.. She was even thinking about him the whole time in this episode...

Ugh... we will see what these writers will do with her.....

There has to be a point where we could see that she understands the Real Lulu somewhere... that's where the development with her has been making me think

[Aquaman OS]

If she joins him next ep they probably want to make a big scene about it. Otherwise there's no reason she couldn't have met up with Suzaku and C.C. went into Ragnarok with them and showed up the throne room with Lelouch since she and the Guren were right there and it would have taken 30 secs of screen time.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by skyless

It's a joke.

And agree with Var, if Kallen leaves then what was the fucking point? {thus i think that we are safe from that now, we got screwed WAY too much this season.}

You know, I know what the point would be if Kallen leaves. There is one perfect explanation to that little problem. Kallen DOES love him a lot. But she can't stand what he has become with using Geass like he does and manipulates people like that. If she does leave, THAT will be the reason. And the whole point of it? Geass and its path of loneliness. Lelouch will have lost Kallen just like he lost everything else.

Personally, that seems to be the way things are heading too. Since I don't see Lelouch not using his Geass any time soon.

[Var]

Originally Posted by Orga777

You know, I know what the point would be if Kallen leaves. There is one perfect explanation to that little problem. Kallen DOES love him a lot. But she can't stand what he has become with using Geass like he does and manipulates people like that. If she does leave, THAT will be the reason. And the whole point of it? Geass and its path of loneliness. Lelouch will have lost Kallen just like he lost everything else.

Personally, that seems to be the way things are heading too. Since I don't see Lelouch not using his Geass any time soon.

So instead of helping him get off that path, she leaves him? Wait... what?

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by Var

So instead of helping him get off that path, she leaves him? Wait... what?

Classic var.
/agree

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Var

So instead of helping him get off that path, she leaves him? Wait... what?

Since right now I see a pretty big Death Flag for Lelouch, it may not even matter. lelouch may get himself off the path... before he dies that is... Or maybe he CAN'T or WON'T get off the path... Maybe he will get C.C.'s code in the end... Maybe Lelouch will forever be stuck with the curse of Geass just like C.C. was. Or maybe Kallen will leave him, but come back. Who knows. Possibilities are ENDLESS right now. Your guess is as good as mine. After Episode 21, all the predictions that were made are gone.

[Var]

Originally Posted by Orga777

Since right now I see a pretty big Death Flag for Lelouch, it may not even matter. lelouch may get himself off the path... before he dies that is... Or maybe he CAN'T or WON'T get off the path... Maybe he will get C.C.'s code in the end... Maybe Lelouch will forever be stuck with the curse of Geass just like C.C. was. Or maybe Kallen will leave him, but come back. Who knows. Possibilities are ENDLESS right now. Your guess is as good as mine. After Episode 21, all the predictions that were made are gone.

Well, yes, anything is possible. But it is illogical (I'm going stop using that word in relation to Geass as it seems so far removed from the truth that I may as well be typing random letters.) for Kallen, who is in love with Lelouch to such a real degree, to just leave him. He'd have to lie to her, but then her falling for it again, undermines her entire character development all season. If they just made her love him, fine, she can be conned to leave him on his path of destruction. But that's not the only form of development they've given her. Lelouch has been her happiness at more than one occassion, and he's also been her truth.

You don't just leave a man hanging on a ledge to fend for himself, especially not if you care.

The way I see it, if anyone is going to save Lelouch from Geass. Its going to be the only person who was not present at the Geass-meeting. Unless, of course, Nunally just gets ressurected.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Var

Well, yes, anything is possible. But it is illogical (I'm going stop using that word in relation to Geass as it seems so far removed from the truth that I may as well be typing random letters.) for Kallen, who is in love with Lelouch to such a real degree, to just leave him.

You see, that isn't exactly true though. It isn't illogical. If he became something that she isn't willing to become herself, then it is VERY logical. Love is one thing, but you CANNOT compromise your beliefs just because you love that person. And since Lelouch is hardly the one that would listen to reason, she may have no choice but to give up on him. Which is a shame since only two episodes ago I thought KallenxLelouch was all but guaranteed.

He'd have to lie to her, but then her falling for it again, undermines her entire character development all season. If they just made her love him, fine, she can be conned to leave him on his path of destruction. But that's not the only form of development they've given her. Lelouch has been her happiness at more than one occassion, and he's also been her truth.

Okay, I can understand this reasoning, and I respect your opinion. I just have to some what disagree.

You don't just leave a man hanging on a ledge to fend for himself, especially not if you care.

That all depends on the circumstances though.

[bladeofdarkness]

the picture from ep 17 might help her except him and suzaku working together again

[Var]

Originally Posted by Orga777

You see, that isn't exactly true though. It isn't illogical. If he became something that she isn't willing to become herself, then it is VERY logical. Love is one thing, but you CANNOT compromise your beliefs just because you love that person. And since Lelouch is hardly the one that would listen to reason, she may have no choice but to give up on him. Which is a shame since only two episodes ago I thought KallenxLelouch was all but guaranteed.

It's not a question of compromising. But just leaving someone, without trying, is wrong, especially in her situation. She cannot in good concious just leave him without taking the time to a.) understand the situation, b.) try to help him, c.) slap some sense into him. If after all those are completed and she cannot agree, then she can leave. Not before. None of those have happened yet, as the situation has changed. The only thing that is constant is the fact that she loves him which is basis for the aforementioned three to occur.

I'm pretty sure at this point its basically Kallen or death, or both. The C.C. episode... had no C.C. developments aside from giving her another death flag.

[Orga777]

Originally Posted by Var

It's not a question of compromising. But just leaving someone, without trying, is wrong, especially in her situation. She cannot in good concious just leave him without taking the time to a.) understand the situation, b.) try to help him, c.) slap some sense into him. If after all those are completed and she cannot agree, then she can leave. Not before. None of those have happened yet, as the situation has changed. The only thing that is constant is the fact that she loves him which is basis for the aforementioned three to occur.

Oh I absolutely agree here. I am just saying that IF she leaves, that would be the main reason and it WOULD be after all the above has happened. I am not saying that it will happen, but that if it does happen.

I'm pretty sure at this point its basically Kallen or death, or both. The C.C. episode... had no C.C. developments aside from giving her another death flag.

More like a Lelouch death flag went up...

[Var]

Originally Posted by Orga777

Oh I absolutely agree here. I am just saying that IF she leaves, that would be the main reason and it WOULD be after all the above has happened. I am not saying that it will happen, but that if it does happen.

Well, my point is that is impossible to do in one episode. She'll have to stick with him if she is to accomplish any of the listed. Which is why I am saying that for the writers to seperate them at this point, or keep interupting them, would make me faceplant. There is no justification for her to leave him anymore. She left him in Ep.19, it's getting old.

Originally Posted by Orga777

More like a Lelouch death flag went up...

Fair enough. But C.C.'s went up higher with her lines after Akasha was destroyed. I want more Mao damn it!

You know, not that you mentioned Ep.19, I still haven't figured out why Lelouch said his last line to Kallen. There was no reason for it... unless... (This is how I ask for your opinion/input.)

[SonOfHeaven]

I agree about Kallen leaving Lelouch getting old at this point. If she leaves Lelouch due to falling for one of his lies again then I will just lol.

[Sprite_Coke]

She keeps saying she wants to confirm something with Lelouch, even all the way back to 1st R2 picture drama.

[Hasaki]

Originally Posted by Sprite_Coke

She keeps saying she wants to confirm something with Lelouch, even all the way back to 1st R2 picture drama.

Well, in the episode, when she said that line, she looked pretty pissed off.

[TheDisruptiveOne]

Originally Posted by Hasaki

Well, in the episode, when she said that line, she looked pretty pissed off.

I agree. Lelouch is going to get slapped again.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Hasaki

Well, in the episode, when she said that line, she looked pretty pissed off.

because every time she tries to talk to him, one thing or another fucks up the moment. She, like all of us, wants to get her answers. That and she was piloting the Guren, which is an auto-adrenaline injection.

[Witacume]

Originally Posted by TheDisruptiveOne

I agree. Lelouch is going to get slapped again.

thats not a bad thing in my point of view.
It shows she cares for him.