2012-06-14, 11:08 | Link #9441 | ||
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There's several ways each of these events could have have gone the only way for the this specific event to occur was that they all went one or at most one and other way. Quote:
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2012-06-14, 11:17 | Link #9446 | |
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The Jokers decided to leave Kumagawa there. Kumagawa decided to watch over the battle, and then interfere and save Mukae. That's not fucking coincidence, that's "plot" and "characterization". You can stop your baseless arguing now. |
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2012-06-14, 11:21 | Link #9448 | |
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2012-06-14, 11:30 | Link #9451 |
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I wouldn't throw that around so easily. We may be stubborn to you but then again you guys are the stubborn ones to us. You know, different view points and all that.
Ok guys...first chill out. I'm in no way innocent in this, but this discussion is going nowhere. People that didn't like the chapter aren't going to start liking it and people that liked it aren't going to start hating it. A person's theories and reasoning aren't always going to be understood by others and there won't always be an agreement. Some people personally consider it bad writing and ass pulls, others don't...arguing about it (and getting somewhat...heated up...along the way) will not lead anywhere. |
2012-06-14, 11:35 | Link #9453 | |
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I never made any mention about Kumagawa acting on Medaka's orders, btw. My theory is that the Jokers are acting independently, because they aren't able to communicate with Medaka. Also both Kurusu-Shirudo and I have repeatedly stated that Kumagawa was probably watching over the fight the entire time, and only decided to step in because it was necessary to save Mukae. Your entire argument is that, even if there are logical explanations for the events of the story--just because there are also possible illogical explanations, then it must be an asspull? That doesn't even make any sense. Funny how Zenkichi explicitly mentioned that the Medaka of present would be likely to allow this. |
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2012-06-14, 11:36 | Link #9454 | |
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I don't think this is much EmukaexZen fuel, rather it's epic ZenxMedaka fuel, cause you know the moment he remembers, he'll use it on Medaka himself. |
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2012-06-14, 11:54 | Link #9455 | |
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That's why ,at time I only like read.Because when you guys start to discuss like this you made clear more than one point.
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2012-06-14, 11:55 | Link #9456 | |
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Instead of Emukae rising above her own insecurities due to her own will, all we get is a section of her being useless and then saved, and her trying to wear Medaka's being as costume. Really Nishio? Didn't you learn anything form Itachi? Still blabbering about how Medaka is perfect? Now you've just made it clear you're using other characters for this end, when you don't have to anymore. I'm impressed by the range Medaka's perfection has, it can ruin other character's development even off-screen. Hell he even brings emphasis to this fact in the flashback. What the fuck, bro. I thought you were going to show us now how Medaka was just a kid like us, not some perfect Goddess of wisdom for all. Instead of Emukae deciding to not give up on her life and dreams, she just try to sacrifice herlself after a hopeless confession that will most likely be ignored, and wishing happiness for the man she loves with another woman, without even fighting for him. Which means she basically gave-up, and like Medaka said, is not like her. Hence character regression. Considering herself useless and weak from the get-go(being a Minus) when she was able to keep on fighting when Torai, Wani and Naze had to retire is also very contradictory and something she should've surpassed already. There's good character development, and this was definitely not it. And did, in-fact, regress the character a few steps of what it should be. Now, this was a swing and a miss. It could've gone right, if Nishio did change a few factors here and there. But since I'm nearly convinced this was all in-favor of Kumagawa's appereance(lol at Minus not working for no clear reasons without even styles being used) for yet to be revealed reasons, at least it's not like Nishio is spiteful of Emukae to go erroneous on her portrayal. Last edited by Wolfenstein; 2012-06-14 at 12:10. |
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2012-06-14, 12:10 | Link #9457 |
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I'm not worried about the upcome of the fight itself. Kumagawa can't win no matter what, and less now it's screws vs screwdrivers. On top of that, his All Fiction now has certain restrictions, therefore is weaker.
Oh, and Emukae will still fight now she's healed. Because Nisio is known for planning his stories ahead (and at this point he probably already knows how the whole arc will end), I'm not worried at all. |
2012-06-14, 12:25 | Link #9459 |
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Devil Style is kinda meaningless in that case. The suitor is too strong and Kumagawa's All Fiction is quite limited now.
I say, the only way they will defeat Kugurugi is through team effort once they find out which is her style and how exactly it works, and I believe Emukae will have the key there. |
2012-06-14, 12:34 | Link #9460 |
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Maybe I'm just biased, but I was a bit shocked at how many characters weren't in the top 10 for the second poll(like Hinokage, Unzen, Hitomi, etc.). I know Kumagawa seems to transcend boundaries, but it kind of rankles me in regards to Japanese difference in taste I guess...
Yeah I'll admit that the chapter bugged me with its Kumagawa appearance, but I'll have to see how this turns out. |
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