The Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya [Spoilers Aplenty]

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by edkedkedk

Hmmm... I wonder if the color stands for something...

READ THE PREVIOUS SCENES. Lady Green has been around for a while.

Originally Posted by luap1138

In other words, instead of just a pair, its a Square.

...

Well, of all the things I would have expected anyone to understand at this point, I would not have expected this. Good job.

Originally Posted by dragon4dudes

I feel tripped out and slightly confused. But of course that's what I'm supposed to be feeling, right?

Such is a mindfuck.

Originally Posted by Heatth

Really? You don't see me complaning much about the non sense scenes. How would I, anyway? It don't have any sesne nor is meant to have.

Utterly wrong. There's a lot of hints towards future plotlines, especially in that last scene.

Don't stop thinking.

Originally Posted by Heatth

I have forgot that scene. Btw, was it on the novel? Or just the anime? I don't remember.

Both.

Originally Posted by Nagaru Tanigawa

I decided to take a risk and threw a chair at Asakura, yet the chair turned in the air right in front of Asakura, and flew off to the other end of the room. How can this be possible!?

He says it like it's nothing.

Originally Posted by Heatth

But, just to be sure, the ♥ is suppose to appear every time you put a <3 right?

Yup. I don't know how you'd type it in a browser, though.

[dragon4dudes]

Huh. When you say mindfuck, I am reminded of Green Day's "American Idiot". Hey, the color green appears.

[luap1138]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

...

Well, of all the things I would have expected anyone to understand at this point, I would not have expected this. Good job.

Thanks.

Utterly wrong. There's a lot of hints towards future plotlines, especially in that last scene.

You mean the "Love" scene? Hoo boy. That does not bode well for Kyon.

By the way, who's supposed to be the main antagonist for Cooperation Route, since it can't be Kyon (or can it )? Or is there even any?

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by luap1138

You mean the "Love" scene? Hoo boy. That does not bode well for Kyon.

Hmm. Well, you'll understand eventually.

Originally Posted by luap1138

By the way, who's supposed to be the main antagonist for Cooperation Route, since it can't be Kyon (or can it )? Or is there even any?

Kyon is not the main antagonist for CoOp. It doesn't have a "real" main antagonist, since it's largely about the brigades as a whole, not just Kyon/Kyonko.

This, of course, doesn't preclude him from being the main antagonist in some other route.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by luap1138

I've been thinking this for a while now, and that last scene pretty much confirmed it for me:

The phrase "What is true for one is true for the other" means much more for the Kyons and the Suzumiyas than it does for any of the other characters. For in their case, what is true for Kyon, is true for Kyonko, is true for Haruhi, is true for Haruki, is true for Kyon.

In other words, instead of just a pair, its a Square.

I believe it is one of the themes of this story. Kyon and Haruhi are, after all, very similar, despite apparing to be oposite. This is clear in the novel, specially after Vol. 4 and 9. Because of that, in the end Kyonko and Haruki also ends up being weid alternate version of Haruhi and Kyon respectively.

Btw, while I could see similarity between Kyonko and Haruhi, I've neverseen between the men. Until anime version of Endless Eight. I laught a lot bat then. It is more amusing that the scenes is the same in the novel, but Kyon was denying (he said he was definitively not yelling. ).

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Well, of all the things I would have expected anyone to understand at this point, I would not have expected this. Good job.

Really? You are repeating Kyon-chan and Haruki are meant to be silimilar to Haruhi and Kyon, respectively, since the begining. I am ashamed I haven't picked the square thing.

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Utterly wrong. There's a lot of hints towards future plotlines, especially in that last scene.

Don't stop thinking.

Ah, don't get me wrong. I meat itis impossible nitpick somethig because it is all meant to be crazy. There is no 'OOC' and no 'inconsistency' in scenes like that, so I can't 'complain'.

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Yup. I don't know how you'd type it in a browser, though.

I see. Well, I ca copy and past it to the code, so there is no problem. I was just curious.

[scify]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Thanks, but it's supposed to be a giant green heart, not "less than three". >_>

Less than three, beyond being the way to draw a heart in Ascii, has become a common way of vocally expressing the same thing (hence the song "Less Than Three" by Becky (warning, it's not quiet, even before you start the actual video)).

Anyways... rape is love... hmm... this'll be... umm... interesting. Yes, interesting is the word I'll use here.

[edkedkedk]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

READ THE PREVIOUS SCENES. Lady Green has been around for a while.

Actually I have already read them, and even viewed that image. I'm just thinking about alternate meanings for the color, that's all. Sorry if I didn't catch on fast enough.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by edkedkedk

Actually I have already read them, and even viewed that image. I'm just thinking about alternate meanings for the color, that's all. Sorry if I didn't catch on fast enough.

Ah.

Well, green is the color of jealousy, if that helps.

Originally Posted by scify

Less than three, beyond being the way to draw a heart in Ascii, has become a common way of vocally expressing the same thing.

Hmm. I didn't know that. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Heatth

Ah, don't get me wrong. I meat itis impossible nitpick somethig because it is all meant to be crazy. There is no 'OOC' and no 'inconsistency' in scenes like that, so I can't 'complain'.

That's just what I'm saying, man. It's not all meant to be crazy.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

That's just what I'm saying, man. It's not all meant to be crazy.

Hmm? The entire scene is Kyon hallucinating and assalting Kyonko, and you say it is not crazy?

I know that, in a way, it is not as crazy as the others Flashes in Space scenes, as half of it is actually happening. What I am saying, however, is that normal logic do not apply there.

I mean, what could I say? That is OOC Kyon assalt Kyonko? I may argue that not even Haruki would actually do that, so Kyon shouldn't since he is possessed by him. But that don't really seen right. It is not like Kyon have become Haruki, he is not really talking like him or thinking like him. It is more like a weird extrame parody of Haruki. On drugs.

So, if normal logic do not apply, I can not tell what is 'wrong', 'irreal' or, obviously, 'unlogic'. I can only read and try to understand it.

PP:
In a side not, while looking in wikipedia for other meanings of 'green', I discovered japanese didn't had a word for green in the past. They used 'ao' (blue) insted the current 'midori' (green). For exemple, 'fresh leaves' is 'aoba', litterally 'blue leaves' (of course it meant to be 'green leaves'). Interesting huh?

PPP:
Other meanings of green apparently include: resurrection and immortality in Ancient Egypt; love and lust in medieval period; prospery in where money is green (like, you know, US) and, the most interesting witchcraft and other evil things (decay, toxicity, etc) in early English folklore.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Heatth

Other meanings of green apparently include: resurrection and immortality in Ancient Egypt; love and lust in medieval period; prospery in where money is green (like, you know, US) and, the most interesting witchcraft and other evil things (decay, toxicity, etc) in early English folklore.

I love how fitting a random color choice ends up being.

[Heatth]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

I love how fitting a random color choice ends up being.

Isn't it?

I missed some important meanings, btw. Apparently in heraldry green (vert) is a symbol of "jolliness and youth, but also of beauty and shame" (lol ) and 'death'.

It is also the symbolic color of environmentalism (not that I need to tell you, of course).

[dragon4dudes]

The technical term for what green represents is envy.... Its also the wavelength of color that chlorophyll absorbs the least (or reflects most), hence green plants.

[SgtHydra]

Originally Posted by Heatth

PPP:
Other meanings of green apparently include: resurrection and immortality in Ancient Egypt; love and lust in medieval period; prospery in where money is green (like, you know, US) and, the most interesting witchcraft and other evil things (decay, toxicity, etc) in early English folklore.

Don't forget the obvious connection to the nature.

Green is a colour for all seasons, really...

But, in my opinon, what we have here is little more than a Green Eyed Monster.

[dragon4dudes]

Referencing Green and Monster reminds me of the Boston Red Sox....

So uh, what were we talking about?

[shaoron]

you guys... are still alive!?

[otai]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Yes, I certainly hope we can do something like that.



Sorry. I just write things that are awesome. Speaking of which.

Spoiler for September the Sixth, Day 5, Kyonko: Flashes in Space- Memories in Pieces (MYSELF):

Flashes in Space- Memories in Pieces (MYSELF)

FLASH

No more changing of the goddamn channel, no more blips from reality. Let's see this bloody charade through to the end.

FLASH

The girl sitting in front of me has turned around, talking to me with a smile on her face that I'd describe as 'vapid'.

Congratulations, nameless girl! You're the first Slut of the Year to try and ask Haruki Suzumiya out on a date!

But she hasn't gotten to that yet.

What was she saying...?


“The stuff you said, back in your introduction, was all that serious?”


...Right.

I make sure to put on my angry face before answering.


FLASH


Kyon: What stuff in my introduction?

Girl A: ...Eh? Your eyes... they're...

Kyon: Do YOU happen to be an alien?

Girl A: Okay, this is really, really creepy. Stop it, it's not funny.

Kyon: If you're not... then what business do you have with me?

Girl A: Stop... stop gripping my shoulder so hard! Let go!


I just grip her harder.


Kyon: You're a waste of time.

Let's move on to the next scene.


Kyon: Everything is. So. Boring! Why does this school not have any decently interesting clubs!?

Girl A: Okay, this is either a dream, or Itsuko bribed you to scare the crap out of me. Either way, could you stop, please? Please? I really don't want to hurt you, and believe me, I will!


I grip her other shoulder and dig in my nails. She kicks me in the leg, but I don't even care.


FLASH

"I thought after I graduated to senior high I would encounter some good clubs, but this, this is like trying to get into the Major Leagues but then discovering that the school you're attending doesn't even have a baseball team!" In other words, it sucks!

I look out the window, sighing deeply. Honestly, this school is crap... why did a person like her come here, of all places? It's for idiots like the girl sitting in front of me.

After a long while, she speaks up again. I brace myself for more things I don't want to hear, but...

"I think it can't be helped if there aren't any."


...Hah?

"Judging from our history, humans are usually satisfied with the way things are at the time. However, those who aren’t will try to invent or discover something to advance their civilization. Someone wanted to fly, so they invented airplanes. Someone wanted to travel easily, so cars and trains were made. Those things, however, were created by people who possessed special talents. Only a genius can convert their imaginings into reality. We ordinary people should just live out our ordinary lives in an ordinary fashion. It’s not our job to act on impulse just because we feel bored."


...Only a genius can convert their imaginings into reality...? That...


FLASH


Kyon: Silence!

Girl A: I'm quiet! I'm quiet! I'm being quiet! Now just. Get. Off. Me!


I have Kyon pinned down on top of the bench. I'm heavy enough so that she can't manoeuvre herself out of this position.

Too bad for her. ...Heh, I wonder how this'll look to passerby? If anyone sees this, my reputation is, like, totally ruined.

I giggle.


Moving on...

Kyon: Help me out.

Girl A: I'll help you out all right! Help you get to a mental hospital!


FLASH

I have my hands on her shoulders. She's blushing.

...This seriously isn't something to get embarrassed over, but whatever.

“Help with what?”

“Help me make my new club, of course!”

“Why do I have to help you make a new club!?”

FLASH

I had to cut that one short, since Kyon just kneed me in the balls while punching me in the face simultaneously.

...That actually hurt a little, so I had to roll off of her, off the bench, onto the cold, solid, cobalt-red ground.

I grab at something for support. It turned out to be a green dress, sealed with a prayer slip. It burns my hand. I scream.


Kyon: I'll need to secure a room, and find some members first, so you go grab the chartering paperwork.

Girl A: Okay, gotta just calm down and look at this logically... what the hell would make him go THIS nuts?!

Kyon: What does that matter? The important thing is to make the club first!


I try to grab her legs, but she just kicks me in the nose. Zero damage, but I'm blown back a bit.


Girl A: Humans are primarily rational creatures. There's a rational reason for everything... what caused him to lose it...? Gotta think, and think quickly...

Kyon: Understood? Find out what you have to do before school's out, and I'll go find a room! OK?!


I've managed to get to my feet, and am advancing on her once again.


Girl A: He first started to trip out when I touched those headphones... and then there was that spark... so maybe...


...We'd skip to the next scene here, but really, there isn't any more meaningful moments between these two until the end of the volume anyway. At least, not ones that we haven't covered already.

If you're at this point, you've probably seen them all, right? So there's no problem with skipping ahead through the boring parts... Unless, of course, you're playing the tech demo, in which case I have to both congratulate you for picking the Kyonko path first, and apologize for it being so confusing. It's just gonna get worse from here on out, though. ...Not really what you were expecting, huh?

FLASH

What good is sitting alone in my room?

...Today, I'm feeling an emotion I can't quite describe, since I honestly don't think I've really felt it before.

Ah, right. Rejection.

...Of course she'd prefer Yuuki. He's not the one who constantly badmouths her, mistreats her, and forces work upon her. I think he's actually better-looking than me, too.

...Of course she'd prefer Mitsuuru-kun. Hell, sometimes even I prefer Mitsuuru-kun.

Why would she ever, ever, go for me?

I feel terrible. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Love is a mental illness.

Except that... it's not love I'm feeling right now, is it?

It's rejection, dejection, anger, and sadness. None of these things are love.

When I'm feeling love, it's like being on top of Mt. Everest. See, there's a similar feeling of breathlessness and dizziness, except that when you're on Everest that's due to lack of oxygen rather than hormones.

Love isn't bad at all. It's a great feeling. It's the best feeling of all.

And it's because I've lost any hope of it that I'm feeling so terrible right now.

...I had it backwards all along.

...But now what am I supposed to do!?

It was love at first sight, that's what it was. Why couldn't it have been mutual? Why does everything I try to do always go wrong?

WHY COULDN'T WE BOTH HAVE HAD LOVE?

Love. Love. Love. Love. Love. Love love. Love love love.

I hate that word. Hate it. Hate is the opposite of love. I never want to hear it again.

But it still echoes through my brain.

Lovelovelovelovelovelovelovelovelovelovelovelovelo velovelovelovelovelovelovelovelovelovelovelovelove lovelovelovelovelovelovelovelylovelovelovelovelove lovelovelovelovelovelovelovelovelovelovelovelovelo velovehateloveloveloveloveloveloveloveloVELOVELOVE LOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVEDE STROYYLOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVELOVE LOVELOVE!

<3


...

I'm destroying a city. But then I stop. It's pointless.

That was the day I met her, floating there, alone.

That was also the day I first felt love.

I will shape a world for her, so that then we can be happy together.

But then she chose someone else.

So I can never be happy.

It's pointless. I'll just reset everything, and try it over again.

I'll make her be mine, even if it takes one thousand years.

And it might.

FLASH


Girl A: Haaaaaaaaaaaah!


Right as I'm about to pounce... she jumps at me instead!?

Her feet hit me in the chest, knocking me back about five feet.


Girl A: This had better work!


I slowly realize that she'd managed to grab my headphones right before the impact.

No, not the headphones! I need those to live!

You little whore! Give those--

With a surprising show of strength, she breaks them in two.

I die.

...Dying hurts a lot.

FLASH

And always remember: LOVE LOVE THE QUEEN

FLASH

And then I wake up.

I stuck a Cabaret reference in there, by the way.

Please enjoy this and the previous scene. I hope to have finished the Kyonko path by tomorrow, but I make no promises.

Are you implying time loops are the result of Haruki save scumming the Kyonko route, or the player himself?

I am a little sad that the line "Ponytails turn me on." failed to make it in there. Imagine Kyonko being fed that line by a crazed Kyon.
You know, I'd like to suggest a path where Kyon has his head shrinked as a result these psychotic episodes. I'll suggest he has a troubled face at school, then gets pulled into a session by Tsuruya playing amatuer psychiatrist. She'll pull terms on him like the Ganzfeld effect or Misattribution; but will feel that she's making fun of him when she starts talking about Freudian adolescent sexual confusion, soulmates, reincarnation, or even information tranfer by juxtaposition in quantum symmetry. Especially since she keeps laughing. He leaves when she tries to make him take an inkblot test she made with the ink and paper for calligraphy club.

Finally, I must congratulate you on a job well done. Writing six flavours of madness, and the response has been pretty good for every one of them. I don't think anyone is looking forward to the scenes where things make sense anymore.

[Joe4evr]

Originally Posted by SgtHydra

But, in my opinon, what we have here is little more than a Green Eyed Monster.

Originally Posted by dragon4dudes

Referencing Green and Monster reminds me of the Boston Red Sox....

Huh... The first thing I thought of was Parsee, she has the power to manipulate jelousy, after all.

[s07195]

I find it interesting that the thread can derail so quickly...but then I ain't seen nuthin' yet.

C'mon, green? Nature, nature, nature. Meh. And money.

Kaisos, everyone's waiting for the co-operation route! Quickly!

[dragon4dudes]

This is what happens to progress. It halts.

[Binjovi]

Originally Posted by dragon4dudes

This is what happens to progress. It halts.

Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not happening.

Spoiler for rough and pink:

"Now I'm in a green field, on the edge of a lush green forest. The sky is teal, and the sun is the color of emeralds."