2012-01-30, 19:18 | Link #205 |
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People have complained about Nanoha stagnating in the first two seasons, especially from non-fans. At the very least, you will notice people saying that the first two seasons are about someone other than Nanoha.
However StrikerS Nanoha is noticeably different, especially towards the tail end of StrikerS, and has developed as a person, not just in abilities or looks either. I think for all of that season's faults, it was helpful towards Nanoha has a character very much so.
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2012-01-30, 19:24 | Link #207 | ||
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The most overt thing is that Nanoha went from someone who just wanted to help people to someone who can give that help on a more focused basis, as in seeking more concrete goals as opposed to just befriending whoever comes across. Examples include being an instructor, but most certainly her raising a child. Even though I don't like Vivio at all, that plot device did help a lot. Quote:
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2012-01-30, 19:26 | Link #208 |
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So Nanoha only got decent development by the third season of her own show... But even putting that aside, given that the plot of Force has barely started, to call foul on character growth something which usually doesn't happen until halfway a series at its earliest is rather premature a complaint, wouldn't you say?
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2012-01-30, 19:27 | Link #209 |
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Nanoha's character is incredibly simplistic and is devoid of any depth whatsoever. I see practically no difference in her between episode 1 of season 1 and pretty much throughout all of strikers (A little side development, but really it was barely anything).
Not that she's a bad character, but she basically amounts to a superman type character while I much prefer ones like Batman.
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2012-01-30, 19:33 | Link #210 |
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Halfway at its earliest? I don't think I watch the same things as you.
And yeah, he has a lot of potential for character development. But they seem to be taking a while to do anything with it, is the thing. |
2012-01-30, 19:33 | Link #211 | |
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Just because they took the time with their first main lead, doesn't mean it's okay to do it with the new guy especially considering Nanoha's character did have notable issues, despite the attempts at development You have to note that Nanoha had the disadvantage of having to start from scratch. Not only had they had to spend time developing her, but they also had to set up everything (the world, concepts, and such). There's inevitably going to be a higher expectation on a character that has all this foundation set up. So while we should have been patient with this franchise in 2005-- in 2012, it's only reasonable that the pace picks up. The new guys have to prove themselves to be interesting faster or they get overshadowed. Subaru and Teana had to work hard given what they had, for example, and what happened in the end is pretty subjective, but eh, it was problematic I would say.
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2012-01-30, 20:00 | Link #213 | |
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Force is very controversial in the sense that there are people able to enjoy it just fine and some other that even think is actually good while, on the other side, there are fans that find a fair share of exploitable flaws while some other got to the extreme of leaving the franchise in dissapointment. ViVid started more or less the same way but has fared better or at least i see much less critiscism and hate towards it.
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2012-01-30, 20:09 | Link #214 |
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Vivid is interesting in its own way, but people like it more as it is focused on little girls smashing each other up and get involved in relationships. Nobody cares about Force as the main lead is male and they would complain on only the flaws and enlarged it while ignoring the good. Not saying that Force's writing is good, but some just decide to only point out the bad in it. If you really want to argue, Vivid is not that good too as it is just a moe slugfest.
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2012-01-30, 20:26 | Link #215 | |
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2012-01-30, 20:45 | Link #217 | |
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My point is that every successive series should not go back to square one. They should build upon each other. The earlier series also had the advantage of having less characters. Nanoha might not have been the most exciting character around, but she had charisma and that personality that is in love with excessive violence that was sufficient as a hook. But as the cast grew larger, the amount of creativity to make a new character stands out is greater, due to the screentime being split every each way. You gotta show why we should care about you, or else. A good example of showcasing a new lead to truly grab center stage in a franchise was Kamille Bidan from Zeta Gundam. He succeeded because he was a stark contrast to the former hero of Amuro Ray, which also reflected a change in tone to the series to a darker one. The anime also pretty much defined his character and the situation around him within a few episodes. It was quick, but still allowed it tons of time for development. His personality was also one that stood out. Now, clearly not that is not the only way, and I'm not saying Nanoha should be going Zeta "lol Tomino" on us. But the advantages of having a lead that has punch to them can help many of us allow a show some more patience. These things are earned, not taken for granted. Nanoha herself had a punch that defined herself, and maybe some people are looking for this.
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2012-01-31, 05:37 | Link #218 | ||
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He went from a regular boy who knows a little magic to a boy who became an eclipse infected, we learned that he has a rather troubled past which he still carries with him (flashbacks are development too, after all) following which his infection took hold and he learned what it was like to hold great power without control, which gave him the drive to master his powers so he would never harm those close to him again. Quote:
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2012-01-31, 05:46 | Link #219 | |
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Force hasn't ended up yet but as stated before the bad pacing is also a problem since makes some people desperate and form their judges with what they have since they run out of patience for new material xDU. Teana and Subaru have a good start since we saw their potential but they weren't overpowered right of the bat, we see them develope and work to obtain to achieve awesomeness xD. Still the first half of StrikerS was clumsy managed and thus bored part of the audience.
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2012-01-31, 06:00 | Link #220 |
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Yeah, the large role of the old cast is one of the biggest faws in Force. Compared to Vivid, where the old cast has support roles at best, you can see how it allows the new characters to shine.
Force doesn't really have awful pacing though. Slow release hampered even more by half-chapters, yes. But the pacing's allright. Vivid's pace is slower, with plot threads raised in the first chapters barely or never having been touched upon since. |
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