2012-09-15, 21:02 | Link #23641 |
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Buddhism seems to the most....enlighten and tolerant of modern religions here. Might be because it is old of the oldest religion in the world, preceding Abrahamic religions. As far as I know, there hasn't been a crusade and jihad in the name of Buddha in recorded history.
While Buddhist does protest aganist political issues in modern times, the most extreme demonstration I've seen they have done is self-sacrfice in the the form of self-immolation. (EXTREMELY DISTRUBING VIDEOS AS FOLLOWS) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E37cMtCrKoA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbB7yWU0Isk Does people here think that the Christian and Islamist will advance to such a state in time ? Last edited by MakubeX2; 2012-09-15 at 21:19. |
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To be fully honest with everyone, I never had respect for China, I'm not about to have any respect now and I will never do so as long as this country keeps on taking that path with that typical immaturity. As a certain Jeremy Roenick once said: they can kiss my @$$. Quote:
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2012-09-15, 21:30 | Link #23643 | |
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First you are quite wrong about Japan. The Japanese nationalists certainly played their part in stirring things up with talks of purchasing the islands. Japan never truly walked out of nationalism and glorification of WWII war crimes, unlike, say, Germany. Japanese PMs still occasionally visit the Yasukuni Shrine, despite protests from many Asia Pacific countries. There were talks of Japanese textbooks whitening the WWII crimes some years ago, but I don't know what came to that. While Europeans have no fear of Nazi coming back, and while most of the Japanese are not the right-wing nationalists, the ghost of Japanese Militarism still lingered. I don't think the Chinese are being unreasonably wary. You also have to remember that China has not been this powerful for long. The Chinese suffered greatly at hands of Japanese and then the Communists under Mao. They were dirt poor until the 1990's, and therefore many of their people are uneducated. Even now, a significant portion of them are still in poverty. You just cannot expect them to behave like nice gentlemen, especially when the matter is about nationalism. It didn't take much for the English and French to riot. Even the oh-so-peaceful Canadians rioted over losing the Stanley Cup final. It should come to little surprise that there are tens of thousands of Chinese (out of 1.3 billion) rioting over this. I also think that the Chinese "bullying" is somewhat exaggerated. China has not threatened military action against anyone for a long time. Its military power is building up, but that is in line with its rapid economic growth. Its bullying, at worst, is by witholding trade. The refusal to export rare earth (which China has a near monopoly of) to Japan some time ago was one example. That said, I don't think China is blameless in any way. Their government certainly could have done much more to protect the shops and end the riots. They could tell their media to tone down criticism of Japan. The rioters also seem not to understand that by destroying the Japanese shops, they are also destroying livelihood of the employees and the properties of their fellow Chinese citizens. |
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2012-09-15, 21:34 | Link #23644 | |
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http://terrorism.about.com/od/politi...-terrorism.htm You can argue they were "doing it wrong" but I think so are those others that are committing violence. At the end of the day, extremism is bad mmmm-kay? |
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2012-09-15, 21:43 | Link #23645 |
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Lets look at the actual histories of all the Abrahamic faiths over several thousand years. Initially, adherent peoples are quite aggressive, violent, and expansionist. They don't tolerate difference of opinion. As the religion matures and incorporates more points of view, this tendency reduces as the centuries roll by. They are observed to have calmed down (except for the outlier extremists). Its a trend line of history and a trend of human behavior right down to the individual.
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2012-09-15, 21:51 | Link #23646 | |
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Buddhism is the religion that practices what it preaches the best, and what it preaches is very good. I don't think Christianity and Islam, as organized religions, can ever get to the height that Buddhism sits at. Christianity has some very good teachings, but the religion seems to make many create a divide between 'believers' and 'non-believers' and between 'believers' and 'sinners' (the holier than thou thing; hey, all people are sinners!). The same can be said about Islam. Islam has an additional problem. There are verses in the Qu'ran, which Muslims believe to be the Holy word of God, which endorse and condone violence and killing. It is very problematic, as many Muslims today who are violent or even kill 'infidels' or support violence and killing in their hearts feel it is absolutely fine with Allah due to some verses in the Qu'ran. (I ended up finding these quoted verses and the link given below after writing the above paragraph) Some verses from the Qu'ran endorsing violence (including some commentary on them): Quote:
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That site says the Qu'ran endorses violence to nonbelievers 109 times. The total amount of times that the Qu'ran endorses violence is even more than that. I used to be kind of fair minded about Islam, but after reading some of the things there...not anymore. I've been trying to be fair minded with this religion, but with all the anger and outrage and violence from that stupid movie, I was starting to really not like it, and now after reading some of those verses, I really don't like it. I will remain fair-minded about many Muslim people. Yes there are many bad Muslim people, but I know there are also many good people who are Muslims.
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2012-09-15, 22:11 | Link #23650 | |
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^ This. Old Testament God was a jerk .. guess what happens when someone accidentally bumped into the "Ark of the Covenant" ?? |
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2012-09-15, 22:13 | Link #23651 |
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True... most belief systems be they secular or religious go through some version of adolescence and insecurity before maturing (or entering a more sustainable equilibrium).
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2012-09-15, 22:14 | Link #23652 | |
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what took you soo long? the right is and has been RIGHT all along in pointing this out! I watch EU-ians in dismay and only Geeert Wilders has the cajones to dare speak the inconvenient truth |
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2012-09-15, 22:21 | Link #23653 | |
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If Western religions worked that way, I'm fairly certain there would be Nazi Party members enshrined in some temple to those that died for Germany (a temple for Hitler as Supreme Leader would likely have been torn down following the war and never rebuilt, and the Kaiser's been gone for a long time now). It would hold some Party members, as well as the average soldiers that fought and died for Germany since maybe as far back as the Franco-Prussian War. While I guess it wouldn't hold those that died later on (men like Adolf Galland for example), it would hold honorable men as well as the vile ones who died in service to Germany. But in the west, the closest you get to that are national cemeteries where military personel are buried. We don't particularly enshrine people (thou I suppose the Kennedy gravesite could be considered a shrine of sorts) in those places, there are those with money that can have large tombs, or be famous enough for people to visit their graves (Grant's Tomb for example). We handle our enshrining as memorials...the Wall for the Vietnam Memorial. They aren't places of worship, but of rememberance. Museums are used for education and propaganda (depending on if or what kind of spin it has). The largest and prehaps best World War II museum for the Pacifc Theater I've ever seen is in Texas. Why? Because that was where Fleet Admiral Nimitz was from. They have the one captured Japanese midget submarine from Pearl Harbor sticking halfway out the building...you can touch it. They have a hatch from the USS Arizona that was blown off when she exploded that day. The signs on it say more or less "Go ahead and touch this door...if the Japanese bombs couldn't destroy it totally, your fingers aren't going to either". They have a room with a full size B-25 looking like it is on the deck of the USS Hornet before the Doolite Raid, with the engine trying to start. It just one of those jaw dropping kind of places for these sort of things. I study history. Badly presented history or outright lies can be annoying...but a shrine is a religious thing. It doesn't bother me even if their museum is slanted a lot...those other men deserve to be honored for what they did and lost, even it is was under the orders of those other men on the A-list that are also enshrined there. I see it as the junior officers and enlisted men are with their criminal officers and giving them what-for every night for getting them killed. Justice works itself out in that realm.
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2012-09-15, 22:38 | Link #23654 | |
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2012-09-15, 22:45 | Link #23655 |
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Incest Novels Now Popular in Japan Is this new???
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2012-09-15, 22:56 | Link #23656 | |
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2012-09-15, 23:03 | Link #23657 | |
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Never mind that the author got much of it factually wrong including the chronology of events.
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2012-09-15, 23:05 | Link #23658 |
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Not to get off topic, but it's a little thing I have to interject whenever I see this mentioned: Tanakh's Yahweh = God of Christian Scripture. Jesus himself was seen by his followers as the fulfillment of earlier Jewish prophecy leading back to the time of David. It's only natural they worshipped the same deity as their ancestors and other Jewish contemporaries.
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2012-09-15, 23:17 | Link #23660 | |
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there's one tongue twisting example (besides 'oreimo' as per article) that's conveniently reduced to to..... get ready... ochinko this one simply takes the cake |
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