Learning Japanese

[Raiga]

I'm guessing that 言ってた is a casual contraction of 言っていた, + けど for "but/however."

I think the "yeah" is just sort of impressionistic... thrown in there to imitate the tone of the original sentence... don't trust translations to be word-for-word literal (for one thing, that's impossible in Japanese<->English).

[ganbaru]

The important part about ''ってたけど is ''けど (even if)
And ''Yeah'', it's because of the ''よ'' at the end of the phrase.

Edit my bad, Raiga posted a answer while I was typing mine.

[xxanimefan4_ever]

Originally Posted by Doraneko

謂う
1．Definition (specific)
2．[Classical use] General use similar to いう・言う・云う. But may also be used for explanations.
eg. 車とは自動車を謂うところである｡ ("Car" means automotive.)
eg. 過ちて改めざる、是を過ちと謂う｡
(A man who has committed a mistake and does not correct it is committing another mistake.)

yeah only seen it in lyrics to shiina ringo (gawd she's good) and she uses lots of weird kanji and all that

Like おこのみで

ooh different versions there too

different versiosn

[Ryuou]

Originally Posted by iLney

Ah... I see now

I thought you guys were talking about the "wo" of "食事をして、映画を見ました." I didn't see the first "wo"

Thank you

BTW, is "お腹がいっぱいので必ずデザートを食べた人" correct? and 人 reads "jin" there?...

Oh okay, haha. That's why you were getting confused.

Like Doughnuts said it's read "hito". That sentence seems odd though. It seems odd to have "taberu" be in past tense. Also, "people who will definitely eat desert because they're full," sounds odd.

Originally Posted by iLney

Thx everyone.

黒田さんが言ってたけど、そんなにおいしくなかったそうよ。

=> Yeah, 黒田さん was talking about it like that, it doesn't look delicious.

I don't quite follow the translation here because そんなに => like that. Then what does "ってたけど" do? And "Yeah" ?

Yeah (if you want) Kuroda-san was talking about that, it seems it wasn't very tasty.

[waterchan]

What is the difference between どれくらい and どのくらい？ If I want to ask a friend how long she will stay in Japan, is it better to say

どれくらい日本いくのか？　or
どのくらい日本行くのか？

thanks

[ghada]

arigato ありがと

thaaaaanx XD

[iLney]

@Raiga, gabaru, Ryuou: Thx

My bad. The sentence should've been : お腹がいっぱいでも必ずデザートを食べる人。（I hope it's right this time lulz)

Edit:

明日も一人で来ますか
いいえ、　明日は友だちと来ます。

"も" = ?

And why "で" => "と" in the 2nd sentence?... Or should I ask why で instead of と in the 1st...

[Doughnuts]

If you said soemthing like,「私と来ます」, it'd be an indication that you have a split personality. "I'll come with myself."
If you understood the と particle from your previous examples, it's the same here in that second sentence.

で in the first sentence is used to express (doing by means of). 「一人で来ます」　"I'll come by myself."

も conveys the idea of doing something in addition to something else. ie, "Will you come by yourself again tomorrow?"

[ukiuki]

Originally Posted by waterchan

What is the difference between どれくらい and どのくらい？ If I want to ask a friend how long she will stay in Japan, is it better to say

どれくらい日本いくのか？　or
どのくらい日本行くのか？

thanks

I recommended this どのくらい日本行くのか？ is better than どれくらい日本いくのか？　
well there are not properly correct sentences.
if you want to say that how long to saty, you might say どのくらい いるのか？is much better.

learning must be fun http://wwjanime.blogspot.com

[Ryuou]

Originally Posted by ghada

arigato ありがと

thaaaaanx XD

You're missing an う at the end there .

[RandomGuy]

Originally Posted by Ryuou

You're missing an う at the end there .

The う in ありがとう is frequently left off in casual speech/writing. I'd give it a pass.

[iLney]

@Dougnuts: Thx

啓二：　先生はとても親切だったよ。
孝：　それはよかった。

Is it a general rule that if a person makes a comment in past tense, the reply must also in past tense too?

Edit: and 当ててみて = guess? What verb form is that?

[ukiuki]

Originally Posted by iLney

@Dougnuts: Thx

啓二：　先生はとても親切だったよ。
孝：　それはよかった。

Is it a general rule that if a person makes a comment in past tense, the reply must also in past tense too?

Edit: and 当ててみて = guess? What verb form is that?

keiji: teacher was very kind.
takashi:that's good.

I guess these conversation in english as above.
there is not rule for past or current or it might be "that was good for you" correct.
so the answer is past.

learning mu be fun http://wwjanime.blogspot.com

[Ryuou]

Originally Posted by RandomGuy

The う in ありがとう is frequently left off in casual speech/writing. I'd give it a pass.

Oh yeah, you're right. A pass it is then.

Originally Posted by iLney

Edit: and 当ててみて = guess? What verb form is that?

当てて is from 当てる (hit, strike, get/win as in a lottery). みて is from みる (it means "try" when used in verb-te-miru). So they're in their te-forms.

[ukiuki]

Originally Posted by Ryuou

Oh yeah, you're right. A pass it is then.


当てて is from 当てる (hit, strike, get/win as in a lottery). みて is from みる (it means "try" when used in verb-te-miru). So they're in their te-forms.

みて- using for asking to you from a person who is close relationship or maybe from older than you..
みる - asking myself to be trying...
みろ・みなさい - force to do...

learn must be fun http://wwjanime.blogspot.com

I know japanese is complicated grammer...

[Mystique]

Originally Posted by ukiuki

みて- using for asking to you from a person who is close relationship or maybe from older than you..
みる - asking myself to be trying...
みろ・みなさい - force to do...

learn must be fun http://wwjanime.blogspot.com

I know japanese is complicated grammer...

*blinks*
Ryuou kinda nailed it when he said it's the 'te' form + miru = to try.
Not sure what you're trying to say..

and why you posting the anime dvd link?

[ukiuki]

Originally Posted by Mystique

*blinks*
Ryuou kinda nailed it when he said it's the 'te' form + miru = to try.
Not sure what you're trying to say..

and why you posting the anime dvd link?

"te" is て
”miru”　is　みる
as　してみる、いってみる、やってみる、、、all　those　means　are　to　try　t o

if you do check current update daily japanese anime link, that is the one.
if it bothers you, skip it.

[Jan-Poo]

みろ・みなさい - force to do...

aah i finally understand the frequent "yatte miro!"

but how would a good translation be?

"let's give it a try!

or

"try it!"

[Mystique]

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

aah i finally understand the frequent "yatte miro!"

but how would a good translation be?

"let's give it a try!

or

"try it!"

hmm...
I still wouldn't say its a 'forcing' nuance to the te+miru grammar. To try anything doesn't really give a feeling of forcing someone to do something.
miru -> miro(u) - would just be a change to the volitional form, which typically does mean 'let's do this' or 'Shall' (A sugesstion)

Ikimashou (Ikou)
Tabemashou (taberou)
Suru (Shiyou)

Depending on the context in which yattemirou was said, it could be translated in a few ways nuance wise, but 'let's do it!' - wouldn't be wrong.

[Jan-Poo]

Uhm i see thanx for the explanation ^^

I have another question 'though
I've studied the usage of "morau" and "moraou" but there are still some situations where i don't really get their meaning.

For example:

"Misete moraou" it express a will (in imperative form) to make someone show something.

however what about:

"Misete moraou ka" why the question? How does it match with strong imperative request? I don't quite get it ^^;