Ever17 -The Out of Infinity-

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sora Part 7 (end-game spoilers):

-They next head for the Lemurian Ruins. It turns out the Dolphin Carousel is nearby, so they also ride that, playing it out as a race of some sort. Both of them are having fun. Next, they head for the gift shop.
-Takeshi mentions the make up, and Sora says it would be interesting to try that, but she'd have to do it as a simulation. Takeshi uses the glass to put the make up on, like in the original. He also epically fails at it again.
-Sora expresses surprise that Takeshi hasn't done make up. He explains it's because he's a guy, and she replies that she's heard recent news stories of men applying make up. They both have a laugh.
-Still at the gift shop, Takeshi asks Sora if there's something she'd like. They look around various things, and one of the things Takeshi shows her is what he thinks is a necklace. She says that's not a necklace, it's a hologram pendant. She gives a one sentence explanation to what it is, then they move on. After showing her things like plush toys and whatnot, the music stops.
-Sora says even if she got a plush toy, she couldn't hold it. If she got an accessory, she couldn't wear it. It's because she isn't really there. We repeat the "window glass" scene from the original. Takeshi then remembers the story of Pygmalion that You told.
(Funny, I never heard the Pygmalion story from You this time around... is this BW's memories?)
-Takeshi goes to bed. End Day 4.

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sora Part 8 (end-game spoilers):

-Day 5.
-Takeshi has the dream about the darkness again. This time, Coco wakes him up by sicing Pipi on him, who licks his face. Coco says he requested a different way of waking him up (which he did during the mustard incident... in Tsugumi's Route) so this is her other method: the "Mega Lick Dog".
-As Takeshi washes his face, he wonders when he said that to Coco, as he seems to have a vague memory of telling her that, but he's confused as to when. He shrugs it off, and finishes up.
-You chews him out for sleeping. Same scene from Tsugumi's Route ensues. While eating Coco's chikuwa, he sneezes. He asks why Sora isn't there, and You tells him that Sora's in the middle of maintanence right now.
-The flickering lights happen again, and You wonders if there's a problem with the system. As they're discussing the Cosmic Whale, Takeshi suddenly shouts, as he realizes there's no way to bring Sora with them when they escape.
-You says it seems that way, but there's two ways to save her: #1: Put Sora's computer on the Cosmic Whale, which she says is obviously impossible, since it's a super computer. #2 is a backup, but they'd need something to back her up with, like a disk or HD. Takeshi says with that they can save Sora. You says "I think so, but..." but doesn't finish her thought.
-Takeshi's relieved about the backup, since that means they can save Sora, because if not, he couldn't save everyone. You says she'll look into backups for Sora. The rest plays out the same up until Takeshi and Kaburaki finish repairing the Cosmic Whale.
-He decides to check You to see if there's been any luck in backup methods, only to find her shouting at the computer. Same plays out, except You gives a different Japanese chant this time, and they don't mention Urashima Taro.
-Takeshi asks about Sora's backup methods, and You says that's what's weird. She said she looked at the maps, and though she went to the Computer Room, Sora's data didn't exist there, because it was probably under "Top Secret" info, and Sora would probably freeze the data.
-Takeshi asks "So there's no way to save Sora?" You says that may not be necessary, that Sora may have already been saved, that here real computer may not be in LeMU, but in Insel Null.
-There's a lot of techno terms thrown around again. Takeshi wonders where Sora's computer could be, and remembers his earlier conversation with Sora at the aquarium (where she had mentioned "brain cosmology.) You is surprised he knows that, and Takeshi asks what the brain cosmology is. Wiki it. It's related to the 4th dimension.
-Takeshi sums it up as being like parallel worlds, but You says that's not quite right- it's more like the Many-Worlds Interpretation. And there's way too much scientific exposition here to explain, just know that it's probably foreshadowing BW or is meant to throw us off like in the original.

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sora Part 9 (end-game spoilers):

-Takeshi's bored, so he decides to go look for Tsugumi. He finds her at the Qualle (which, oddly enough, he doesn't seem to remember despite the fact he went there with Sora yesterday). He decides not to go on this time.
-Once again, You can't access the computer to find info on her father and Sora, and Takeshi sees her guest ID has the initials "T.Y." on it. Takeshi asks if Sora could remove the protection, but she states the earlier reason as to why she can't. Anyway, most of this is the same as Tsugumi's Route, except she tells him at the end to believe Sora will be all right.
-Once he checks the sub, he thinks all that's left is Sora's backup. Sora then appears to him. She asks if she surprised him, and says no, he was just currently thinking of her, so not really, surprising her.
-She tells him about the thought error that's being repaired right now. The "intruder" that possess her is apparently caused by crackers, but she doesn't know exactly what the real cause is.
-Takeshi asks if the "intruder" is from the surface, and Sora says it might be, along with the thing that's causing the jamming. Just then, she almost says the words "IBF" in relation to a hidden network. Suddenly, she seems to freeze. Takeshi asks what's wrong, and she suddenly says "Verboten... Level... Delta... System... Rebooting..."
-She then starts acting normally again, and says it was the result of a check. Takeshi says he understands, and resumes the check. He says he never wants to see Sora freeze again, and doesn't ask her where the real her is, despite him wanting to.
-Takeshi comes up with the party again. He sees Coco going to one of the statues (I think it's a different statue than the one in Tsugumi's Route). The scene is still the same.
-Party is the same as Tsugumi's Route. After the party, Tsugumi tells him to come along. When You attacks him, Takeshi is prepared this time and stops her from throwing him, but then she punches him at the head, knocking him down.
-Takeshi and Tsugumi get on the Qualle. Most of the conversation stays the same (the early part, they never talk about Cure here) until Takeshi brings up Chami. Takeshi insists she's one of their companions, and if she's concerned, just talk to him. He'll be her strength. Tsugumi replies, "So you'll do anything if it's for your companions?"
-Takeshi says yes, and Tsugumi says if that's the case, she has a favor for him: kill her. She then throws him to the floor. Dialogue stays same up until Tsugumi says "I see..." She then says, "We're companions, right? Didn't you'd say you'd do anything for your companions? Or were you lying?"
-Takeshi amends his statement to say he'd do anything to protect or save his companions. Tsugumi says, "Then save me! Kill me...!" When he says he can't kill her, she says "Right, right, you can't do it... because you're a hypocrite." Then she says she'll kill Takeshi. Rest of the scene plays out the same. We're back to the "Resist/Don't resist choice."

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sora Part 10 (end-game spoilers):

-Takeshi doesn't resist, and closes his eyes. However, death doesn't come. Instead, he feels something falling on him. He opens his eyes to see Tsugumi crying. She begs someone to save her. The rest of the scene plays out, though Tsugumi calls Takeshi a "hypocrite" as he embraces her, and he remarks he couldn't do anything for her. They "become one".
(Note that once again, it's not quite as rape-like as it was in the original. Again, Takeshi's the one who makes the first moves, and while it is still surprise sex, she's not the one taking advantage of him.)
-They get off the gondola, and stare awkwardly at each other. Takeshi asks Tsugumi where she's going. She says it doesn't concern him, and starts to walk off. He then shouts to her that the place she's in is the same place the others are in. She then silently leaves.
-As Takeshi heads to go to sleep, he sees a red light coming from the Control Room. He goes in, only to see the entire room is red. On the monitors are the flashing words, "NOTSTAND" and "EMERGENCY" (Notstand is German for Emergency). Takeshi wonders what happened.
-Suddenly, we hear "Dark" Sora's voice, spouting computer terms like "deadlock" "process level changing". Takeshi turns around and sees Sora. He asks what's wrong, but she says "There are no problems" and spouts more computing terms. However, Takeshi knows something's wrong, and decides to call You.
-Takeshi leaves the room to go find You. As he walks, he wonders what happed to Sora. He goes to the Decompression Room, but doesn't see You. She's not in the Staff Room either. He decides to try the hot springs.
-On his way, he runs into Sora in one of the hallways, who is silent. She then says (in a monotone voice) "Kuranari-san... so this is where you were." She then giggles madly, and disappears. She continues giggling, and basically taunts him. She closes the shutters.
-Takeshi tells her to stop fooling around, but she just continues to giggle and taunt him. She then activates the sprinklers. The water is so cold that it actually hurts Takeshi. The hallway starts flooding. Takeshi tries to escape, but to no avail. He tells Sora to open the shutters.
-New CG. This one looks... kinda Off-Model for some reason. We see Sora staring at Takeshi with a blank look in her eyes as the sprinklers pour down. Takeshi asks what's wrong with her. She just blankly repeats the phrases, "What's wrong? What are you doing?" He finally asks what she's doing.

Sora: "I am... a program. I cannot understand what things like food are like. I cannot understand what thinks like humans are like... (dialogue from original) I exist to follow and carry out orders."

-Takeshi says, "So... ra..." Choice time: "You're not Sora/Please, stop this."

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sora Part 11 (end-game spoilers):

-Takeshi asks her who she is. She says she's Sora, and states her designation. She continues to flood the room. Next choice: "You're not the Sora I know/What are you doing, Sora?"
-Takeshi asks her who she is again, saying she's not the Sora he knows. She repeats the above, but in the middle of her designation, Takeshi shouts, "No, you're not Sora!" She merely repeats the information. Takeshi asks who she is.
-She repeats herself. Takeshi says, "Shut up, you're not Sora." She repeats again. Takeshi says, "No, you're not Sora. Sora is warm... completely different from the cold Sora." Above the words "the cold Sora" is the characters for "you". He continues to say Sora is a good person and his precious companion, not this person. Sora wouldn't put him in this situation.
-He continues to shout reasons why she's not Sora. Next choice: "Give back the real Sora/Disappear".
-Takeshi demands she give back the real Sora. She then says, "I am Sora. I am..."
Screen flashes white.
Sora: "No...! No, no, no...!"

-It suddenly goes all dark in front of Takeshi, the light disappearing. He hears the two Soras arguing, the real one denying the dark Sora. Takeshi sees he's in a fake ocean. He then looks ahead, and sees the two Soras.
-The real one tells the dark one to stop it, with the latter saying there is a thought error cause by a confliction with unknown data. The real Sora says that was her mistake, because her mind was too weak. She tells Takeshi to hurry and destroy the Control Room while she takes care of this, and she unlocks the shutters.
-Suddenly, the real Sora shouts in pain while the dark Sora reads off database errors. Real!Sora tells Takeshi she's all right, so he should hurry and get out. Takeshi yells at her, saying he can't run and leave her behind. She tells him not to worry, for one way or another, she'll disappear soon.
-Takeshi asks what she means, and she says she loves everyone and wants to protect them. She says that even though she's a program meant to help humans, she's receiving contradictory orders right now. Dark Sora continues to read off errors.

Sora: "Up until now, I've been rejecting carrying out these orders, but because of my mistake, I began carrying them out. I cannot reject priority orders... Therefore, I purposely created correction errors to prevent me from carrying out those orders. My main body has received a considerable amount of damage... so I don't have much time."

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sora Part 12 (end-game spoilers):

-Takeshi yells at her, saying it's wrong to sacrifice herself for them. Suddenly, the real Sora laughs, saying "Such a funny thing to say." She then repeats his vow to Tsugumi that he'll protect, save, and won't let the the others die, word for word. She tells him she saw it on the monitor.
-Dark Sora then says "Commencing correction deletion". Real Sora then screams, and says she's strange, even though the Human Emulation Limiter is supposed to restrict her actions, she was curious what Takeshi was doing, so the other "her" went spying on Takeshi, so this is her punishment.
-Dark Sora says deletion is at 10%. Real Sora says her memories and mind are beginning to disappear. She tells Takeshi to hurry, as there's not much time. There's a "choice", but there's only one single choice: "Don't disappear, Sora! We're going to save everyone together!"
-"Karma" starts. Takeshi tells real Sora to hang in there, and not to disappear so they can save everyone. Sora says, "I don't want to disappear." As the Dark Sora is deleting, Real Sora says she wants to spend more time with everyone. Takeshi roots her one, telling her not to lose.

Sora: "Even... if I'm unable to get the better of Komachi-san... I want to spend more... of the same time together... with Kuranari-san... So I don't want to disappear!"

-Screen turns white. Dark Sora cancels the order, and disappears. We see the normal Sora floating in the "water". Takeshi asks if she's all right, and she says, "yes." and confirms she's the real Sora. She thanks Takeshi.
-Takeshi asks what happened. Sora says when she scanned Tsugumi with the LEM-ARV two days ago, data from "above" flowed into her. Takeshi asks further and says Tsugumi's personal information, and she "touched deep portions she can't speak about".
(In other words, it probably ID'd Tsugumi with Leiblich's computers, but I'm not completely sure).
-She then gets into a lot of technical terms about how she resisted orders, and it was the attempt of another computer to take her over (I think... I'm a bit lost here). She says her computer is now completely stand alone, so she's fine. Takeshi wonders what that means, though.
-He then realizes it, and asks where her main computer is. She says it's inside HIMMEL's Computer Room. She says she can't say anything about it now, but she's trying to rework her systems to eliminate any locks.
-Takeshi then realizes her main body is in LeMU, and Sora says she knew that from the beginning. He then asks if she can be saved. She says the computer is too big to bring aboard the Cosmic Whale. He asks about backups, and she says it's possible, but there's so many problems with that (like formatting and protections) so the odds of that are next to none.
-As Takeshi starts to worry, she says the "intruder" from outside hasn't been completely purged yet, so she goes to finish the job. She thanks Takeshi. She disappears, and the fake ocean disappears as well.

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sora Part 13 (end-game spoilers):

-He goes to sleep, he thinks of Tsugumi and Sora, and worries that there's no way to save Sora. He then goes to the pool and drinks coffee. As he thinks about how to save Sora, Tsugumi comes up to him.
-He asks if she'd like to drink with him, and she agrees, sitting down next to him. They drink coffee together. She drinks it, and asks what it is, and he replies "Some things just don't go our way in this world". She accurately calls out that he didn't make those words up, and he agrees.
-He realizes Tsugumi's noticed his nervousness. He thinks Sora's saved them several times, so it's time for him to save her. He crushes the coffee, and thanks Tsugumi for cheering him up.
-She says that she didn't really come to cheer him up, it's just that if he doesn't act himself, she gets troubled as well. She says this slightly embarrased as she drinks her coffee. She repeats his words from earlier, agreeing with them.
-He also agrees, but says that's why they're able to stand up and challenge things. She says "No choice but to stand up against them..." and crushes her coffee as well. Takeshi checks the time: 11:59 P.M. The date changes.
-End Day 5.

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sora Part 14 (end-game spoilers):

-Day 6.
-Plays out the same until Takeshi meets Coco in the hall. He thinks Sora knew from the beginning that she couldn't be saved, and that she wants to be saved. When she asks him his dream, Takeshi said he dreamt of a woman he couldn't touch that he wants to save, but couldn't find the method to do so.
-Coco's "method" starts, the same, but in the middle:

Coco: "... I can see... I can see you... Everyone can see you too... so you just haven't been found yet. I'll open my eyes properly and find you... because... I can see you... (strange SFX noises) I can see! I can see! I can see too! (more strange SFX noises).

-Rest is the same, except the topic is Sora. The rest stays the same until Takeshi goes to do checks on the sub. Once again, his mind turns to how he can possibly save Sora. He goes to find You about saving Sora.
-When they get to the mysterious translated lines in the ruins, You talks about how wakas can have messages hidden in them, and wonders if it could be about the hidden "treasure" of Lemuria. Takeshi tries to bring up the Sora issue, but You blissfully ignores him until he shouts. He tells her that Sora's main computer is in LeMU, and as she's about to speak...
-Kaburaki comes up to them, informing them about the fight. Unlike the original, Sora is not denying the existence of IBF, but is saying it's too dangerous to go down. Tsugumi says she's lying, trying to keep them from going down.
-Sora replies she's just thinking of everyone's safety, and she doesn't want to lead them into a dangerous situation. The rest plays out the same, except that because You's with them, she says a bit more. Sora also says:

Sora: "Coco-chan, it can't be that this is... no, that's impossible..."

-When they get there, You sets up the scanner. When they scan Coco, they get "Unknown Virus" again, but this time, Sora tells them about Tief Blau, but says she doesn't know if it can be cured. All that's in her database is that it's a deadly virus.
-Takeshi asks if the current sub's charge would be enough to get to the surface, but Sora says no, and normal hospitals wouldn't know of TB anyway. After Takeshi cries, Sora announces there is one way to save Coco. She tells them of IBF, and informs them it's a biohazard right now. Takeshi is shocked, and realizes TB leaked out of IBF.
-Tsugumi says if that weren't the case, none of this would have happened, since they were studying and making TB down there, otherwise it would be known about on the surface. Sora informs them IBF was being used to make bioweapons. Sora pretty much then tells Takeshi everything Tsugumi told him in the sub bay in IBF on her route, but expands on some areas while remaining in the grey on others.
-Takeshi realizes the incident with Sora yesterday must have resulted from IBF's networks, which are connected to the LEMMIH series on the surface, but Sora insists the IBF computers can only send and receive data (I think- again, too much techno talk that I don't understand).
-You realizes there must be a cure for TB down there, since you don't make a bioweapon without making a cure for it first.
-When Takeshi tries to go alone, the others insist. He tries to say no, since it's a biohazard. You says the reason the rescue team didn't come is because it's a biohazard, and they'll need to go anyway.
-Sora tries to tell them not to go, but Takeshi says they must save Coco. Sora says she wasn't trying to stop them, but tell them to be careful, since she can't join them. They take Coco and go.

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by GundamAce

Hmm... well, what does everyone else think? Should I continue or stop? Either way, I'm going to continue on GameFAQs.

You should definitely continue here, because I probably won't ever get to experiences this version of Ever17 any other way.
And I want to know the difference between the Xbox version and the PC version.

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sora Part 15 (end-game spoilers):

-In this version, we learn there are 4 elevators to IBF- 2 exclusively for researchers. Takeshi asks if they go to the surface, and while Sora says they do, both are currently broken, so only the ones between IBF and HIMMEL work.
-As they descend to IBF, Takeshi swears once they save Coco, he'll go for Sora next. You and Takeshi talk, and they get into more techno talk about computers (the words "Neumann type quantum computer" pops up a lot.). Sora's apparently part of a 5th generation computer.
-You says Sora may have been developed in IBF, and LeMU was her testbed. In short, what You's saying is that they may find a way to save Sora in IBF. However, she says they need to take care of Coco first, and Takeshi agrees.
-Rest plays out the same up until they put Coco in the pod. Takeshi thinks he should look for a method to save Sora, but also remembers they're in a biohazard, so they can't stay too long. Everything else is the same until after Yoichi dies (though they don't find "T.Y"'s journal).
-After that, You and Takeshi talk in the hall. You says she's found a way to backup Sora, which Yoichi told her while the others were gone (the dialogue here is similar to the original). He says he remained in IBF to save his "daughter", Sora, as he was one of the staff members of Sora (You probably left the part out about him staying for her as well.)
-They go to the computer room, and You uses an ID card to access the computer. She says Yoichi told her there's a backup program in the room that can be used to save Sora. She tells him the researcher told her it was his way of atoning.
-She says the researcher told her he had a real daughter, but Leiblich invited him to join them shortly after she was born. They told him he was free to research whatever he wanted, which was too tempting to pass up, so he gave in and left his family to come to IBF.
-However, he said he regretted not being able to do anything for his real daughter or family, so he decided to atone by doing everything he could to save Sora, his other "daughter", though it might have been to preserve the one proof of his existence that resulted from his research.
(Way to be obvious, remake.)
-Just then, You finds the program, but says she'll need something to copy the data on. She says what they're copying isn't Sora, but the program, since Sora isn't on IBF's computers, but HIMMEL's.
-Takeshi finds a terabyte disc (which actually is in a case this time), and tells You, but she's silent. He sees she's looking at a photo on the desk, and the picture is a new CG: of a researcher (though his face is blurred out) holding what is clearly You when she was a baby. Takeshi doesn't make the connection.
(Hmm... so they're not really trying to hide that the researcher was You's dad this time? Is the game trying to use this to throw another twist our way? Is the twist supposed to be that the reason Yoichi stayed was because he was threatened by Leiblich? Well, this wasn't exactly one of the major twists anyhow... I thought it was You's dad in my first playthrough as well.)
-Once she snaps out of it, she says the disc will work. They copy the program and leave the room, and You says all he needs to do is put the disk into HIMMEL's computers. Takeshi wonders what will happen to Sora when he uses it. She says all of Sora will be copied into another computer.
-You says it'll be backed up into Sora's "sister", the LM-QSS17, though she doesn't know where the computer for it is. Takeshi wonders what will happen when the transfer occurs- You says probably either one of the two Soras will be erased, or they'll form separate personalities.

[Spamamdorf]

I also think that you should go ahead and keep doing it I ean if you dont want to read, dont. Its easy. However I have to say the more of this I read the less I'm liking it, I mean really there are so many things different that its not even like the drama CD's where they were keeping to the main points. Also I just noticed this but is there no piyo piyo scene this time round? Or was that only in Coco's route? At any rate, yeah I'll keep with it out of sheer curiosiity but I dunno, I'm definetly losing faith in it so far XD, oh well keep a light attitude about it and its fine I guess

[GundamAce]

Originally Posted by Spamamdorf

I also think that you should go ahead and keep doing it I ean if you dont want to read, dont. Its easy. However I have to say the more of this I read the less I'm liking it, I mean really there are so many things different that its not even like the drama CD's where they were keeping to the main points. Also I just noticed this but is there no piyo piyo scene this time round? Or was that only in Coco's route? At any rate, yeah I'll keep with it out of sheer curiosiity but I dunno, I'm definetly losing faith in it so far XD, oh well keep a light attitude about it and its fine I guess

Piyo piyo was in Coco's Route only.

Also, you have to keep in mind that the Drama CDs were mostly supervised by the original staff (at least I think they were... the Remember11 Drama CDs I have were supervised by Nakazawa, since he has a note in each one of them... and even if he didn't write them, the writer was still one of the writers from the game itself.)

I wouldn't really call this a "remake" anymore so much as a "reinterpretation". I'd say it's kinda like Rebuild of Evangelion. My overall thoughts right now are mixed: there are some parts I admittably like more than the original, but there are other parts I'm either "meh" or dislike. As of now, I still prefer the original, but it's not like this is so terrible that I feel it's an utter disgrace.

[Spamamdorf]

Originally Posted by GundamAce

Piyo piyo was in Coco's Route only.

Also, you have to keep in mind that the Drama CDs were mostly supervised by the original staff (at least I think they were... the Remember11 Drama CDs I have were supervised by Nakazawa, since he has a note in each one of them... and even if he didn't write them, the writer was still one of the writers from the game itself.)

I wouldn't really call this a "remake" anymore so much as a "reinterpretation". I'd say it's kinda like Rebuild of Evangelion.

Yeah that sounds more like whats happening at the moment, and yeah the drama CD's were done by the same writers.. I guess thats why this one feels, whats the word I'm looking for, off? That being said I'm mostly wondering at this point a) what else has changed and b) if first timers would like it, because I certainly cant be completely objective about this being a good game in its own right, not including what it was originally based off, then again we havent even gotten to the best part yet now have we?

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sora Part 16 (end-game spoilers):

-Takeshi comes down with TB. Scene plays out the same, except with Tsugumi and You's roles being reversed when it comes to seeing Takeshi with TB. There's an extra line about Takeshi putting the terabyte disk on a table, but the rest is the same as Tsugumi's Route, except Takeshi doesn't know why Tsugumi didn't catch TB.
-When they notice Tsugumi hasn't been injected and not ill, You wants Tsugumi to be scanned. Tsugumi refuses, saying there's no reason, but You counters that if she doesn't have TB, it might be because she has antibodies that fight off TB. You begs her to take the scan, because they might find hope to save everyone if they do.
-Tsugumi refuses. Takeshi asks why, saying if she must want to save everyone too, otherwise she wouldn't have bothered coming to IBF. After pausing, Tsugumi reluctantly agrees, saying, "I'm a hypocrite too..."
-They find the Cure Virus in Tsugumi, but unlike Tsugumi's Route, there's no explanation of what it is. You is shocked, thinking it was an urban myth, but says this confirms she has TB antibodies. "There is hope! With this, we can save everyone." She says they can use the lab in the back to extract them.

You: "Tsugumi, thank you... thank you so much! Thanks to you, we've found hope, a hope that can save everyone!"
Tsugumi: "It's too early to be thanking me... I don't know what effects it'll have... And what you've found... might not... be hope..."

-They then take the antibodies (well, this is a strange turn...). Takeshi passes out, and sees a sky in his sleep (Sora means sky in Japanese). He remembers he has to save Sora. As Takeshi wakes up in this version, he sees Tsugumi's still there with Chami.
(Well, that makes no sense... in the original, Tsugumi refusing to give the antibodies in both routes indicated that deep down, she didn't want everyone else to become like her and suffer her fate. It was her way of showing that she did care for the others deep down.)
-After the rescue team talks to Takeshi, Tsugumi comes over to him and says "looks like help's on the way". Takeshi says, yes, that means everyone will be saved. He then remembers Sora. He tells Tsugumi he has to go, and she says she understands, saying she'll take care of the others, and if worse comes to worse, she'll prep the sub to escape. Takeshi thanks her, and goes off to save Sora.
-He says if the rescue team comes, then go without him. When she asks what he'll do in that case, he says he'll escape using the Cosmic Whale. Suddenly, the place shakes. When he gets the message LeMU will collapse, he grabs the terabyte disc and goes to save Sora. As he leaves, Tsugumi mutters, "Hypocrite..."

[GundamAce]

Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sora Part 17 (end-game spoilers):

-As he runs out, Takeshi loses balance, and thinks to himself the antibodies might not actually be working, but he goes anyway. Unlike Tsugumi's Route, he doesn't raise the speed of the elevator as it's rising.
-When he gets up, he shouts to Sora from the pressure room, and she opens up . She's shocked to see him again, and asks what he's doing there. He says it doesn't matter, and tells her about the rescue team, and that he's come to save her, not just for her, but as her creator's last will.
-He shows her the disc, saying her "father" left it so she could be saved. She falls silent, and Takeshi sees the computers to HIMMEL (which are apparently in the same section as the pressure chamber... I think...) Takeshi can see the main computers. One of them is labeled "LM-O10" while another is labeled "LM-QS16".
-Sora tells him the "LM-O10" is LeMU's main computer, while the other is her own, and explains IBF also has the prototype, "LM-PN01". On the surface are the neuron computers "LM-N03" and "LM-N04". She explains how they're all a system set up by Leiblich (and again, I'm sorry, but there's too many techno words. If it becomes important later, then I'll try coming back here and translating them) and how some of them fit into her programming.
-As he stares at Sora's main computer, she asks him if he could stop staring at her, as it's embarrasing, and he apologizes. She tells him she has a drive for the disc, but LeMU shakes just as she tells him. She then informs him the maintenance room is flooding, and the Cosmic Whale can't be used now.
-LeMU shakes again. Sora tells him this time that LeMU is crumbling around the parts connecting Drittestock, and at this rate, the elevator to IBF will become unusable. She tells him to head back for IBF right away. He agrees, saying once he puts her disk in, he'll head back down to IBF. She tells him not to, that there's literally no time left.
-Takeshi insists she tell him where the disc drive is, and she reluctantly does so. He inserts the disc, and is about to go back to IBF, when the drive rejects the disc. Sora says the tremors have damaged the disk drive, so the disk can't be read.
-Sora tells him to forget about her and head back to IBF. He says then all he'll focus on is saving Sora. She tells him no, that just seeing him again before the end was enough for her, and tells him to go, saying "if anything happened to you, I'd..."
-Takeshi says he won't go back. Their conversation goes in circles. Sora asks why Takeshi isn't listening to her. He tells her he came to save her, and so he has no intention of moving until he accomplishes that. She says that's contradictory, and that he might die at this rate. The firewall appears again.
(I have to admit this makes more sense then the original... at least Sora will be saved if he successfully manages to get the disc working.)

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Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sora Part 18 (end-game spoilers):

-Sora tells him a fire's broken out, and he needs to get out before he gets burnt. However, Takeshi knows it's an illusion she's creating. However, when he touches it, it's hot. Sora repeats herself. Takeshi wonders if the fire's actually real.
-He still tells Sora he thinks it's an illusion, and he's still going to save her, and if she doesn't dispel it, he won't leave the room. She dispels it, but says she'll force him another way. She uses the Mirage system to create a loud sound that damages his brain. She tells him if he doesn't hurry, his brain will suffer intense damage.
-Takeshi stands, and Sora cries, shouting "Hurry up and escape!" She then asks him why he isn't escaping, saying she doesn't want to do this, and asks why he's forcing her to do it, since she doesn't want to hurt him.
-He repeats his desire, and then apologizes for making her cry, but states how it's funny their positions seem to be the same. Sora agrees, and gives a sad laugh. She then tells him all elevators have been rendered unusable. After a long pause, all Takeshi says is, "I see."
-End Day 6.

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Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sora Part 19 (end-game spoilers):

-Day 7.
-Takeshi, who went to sleep, wakes up to Sora, who says, "Good morning."
-Takeshi managed to successfully get the disc in, and the backup has apparently finished. He expresses relief, and Sora apoligizes for getting him caught up in this. Takeshi tells her it's not her fault, saying it was his own choice.
-She tells him she didn't care if she disappeared, as she's been prepared for that, but when she thought of never meeting any of the others ever again after they went to IBF, she got very scared and lonely.
-She says she doesn't want to disappear and that she wanted to spend more time with Takeshi, so she was really glad when she saw him again, and that she's happy that she can be with him in the end, even though she wanted to save him, and calls herself a hypocrite.
-Takeshi says that's not true, saying anyone would be scared of being left alone or disappearing. He says that's what it is to be human. He thinks to himself that that's why he wanted to save everyone, so that no one would have to feel that.
-He asks about the others, and she confirms that she heard a message from the rescue team- three people were saved from LeMU and brought to the surface. Takeshi is confused. Sora explains that they only found three people, and someone else had apparently used the IBF sub to escape.
-He remembers Tsugumi saying she'd set up the sub. He then says there's no doubt Tsugumi was the one to use the sub, and relaxes, saying that everyone seems to be safe (I guess he doesn't realize that there's one more who was left behind).
-He looks to the ceiling, thinking that the others are on the surface. He thinks that he really is a hypocrite, like Tsugumi said. Sora remarks everyone but them were saved. Takeshi is confused, saying shouldn't Sora be saved?

Sora: "My... the other me has been saved. But "I" am right here."

-She says the backup means she's been split into two: the her right here, and the backed up her. She says she's fine with that, since she's with Takeshi. Takeshi checks his cellphone for the time, but the battery's dead.
-He asks Sora if there's anything they've left undone. She says yes, but there's nothing they can do from here. Takeshi comments if there's anything left to do "like in a dream". She says yes, and that they should, "continue". She uses the Mirage system.

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Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Sora Part 20 (Finale) (end-game spoilers):

-She's created another "Love Visual Novel" situation. In it, she and Takeshi have only just become lovers, so things are still awkward between them, but they're happy just being together.
(Rest is her narration)
-She says she wakes him everyday, they talk about trivial things together, walk along a cherry blossom road, but though they want to hold hands, they can't. In class, they sit next to each other, and occassionally look at each other while blushing. The same things repeat. At lunch, they go to the roof, where she gives him her homemade lunch. She says he'll look at the food, and say-

Takeshi (interrupting): "This is great, but did you really make this? It was your mom who made it, wasn't it?"
Sora: "I woke up early to make it."
Takeshi: "I see. Not bad."
Sora: "Geez, don't tease me..."

-Takeshi eats the lunch, though he knows it isn't really there, and says it's good, though Mirage can't replicate flavor, and this is all fake, but he doesn't care. He takes in the fake world. He says this is happy, and "grabs" onto Sora's hand as they stare at the sky.
-They're interrupted by the announcement of the implosion, and the fake world fades away. The room starts flooding. He asks if she's scared, but she says she's all right because she's with him. They "embrace", and Sora says she can feel all of Takeshi. Takeshi says he's the same. She thanks him, saying she's happy.
-The flooding gets worse. Takeshi remarks they're off in their own world, ignoring the world around them, saying he can feel Sora. The room completely floods. As he drowns, Takeshi thinks he's glad he managed to have one last dream before the end, and after he awakens, he'll still feel happy. He repeats himself, then drowns.

-End credits.

I'm wondering- should I go for Kid's Routes, or the Bad Ending first? When I screwed up on Tsugumi's Route, I kept a save, since I figured it'd lead to the Bad Ending.

[rogerpepitone]

The You/Takeshi ending is my second favorite of the game, so I want to hear how it went in this version.

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Spoiler for Ever17 Xbox 360 Tsugumi/Sora Bad Ending (end-game spoilers):

-The parts leading up to the Bad Ending is basically Sora's Route. To get the conditions for the Bad Ending Route, you have not go with Sora on Day 3, but also don't express joy over Tsugumi's survival on Day 4. When Tsugumi is choking you in the sub, you have no choice but to not resist and don't deny that the Sora who tries to drown you is not Sora. Everything else stays the same until Yoichi dies.
-When Takeshi tries to go after Tsugumi, he falls. You and Tsugumi just silently stare at him.
-The CG of the bloody You has been changed so you only see a very small section of Takeshi's hair. The lines and descriptions are exactly the same up until the end, where You tells Takeshi if he knows this legend about a vampire that bathes in the moonlight. Takeshi asks what she's talking about, and she said she just thought of it, so she wanted to tell someone about it.

-The final lines have changed a bit:

You: "Kuranari... You probably... didn't feel anything about me, but... I... really... liked... you... Ah... I'm... so... relieved..."
(We get a zoom in on the CG on Takeshi and You's hands.)
After that-
I couldn't hear anything.
Takeshi: "You...? No, it can't be... You...? Hey... won't you answer me? This can't be happening..."
The warmth in her hand starts to disappear. It will never feel again for all of eternity.
Takeshi: "YOUUUUUUUUUUUU!"
I screamed.
Takeshi: "TSUGUMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII! SORAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! COCOOOOOOOOOOOO! KIDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!"
I shout the names of the people I couldn't save.
Takeshi: "GOD FUCKING DAMMITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!"
(IBF shakes)
In an instant, my final scream is drowned out. A large amount of water came rushing in, swallowing everything up. Everything-

(One complaint I do have is You's acting seems worse in this version. In the original, Noriko Shitaya sounded like she was struggling to breathe out every single one of You's last words. Here, it's more of a typical faint "dying while crying" voice.)


-End. We don't get credits.