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Perfect 10 | 31 | 43.06% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 19 | 26.39% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 18.06% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 8 | 11.11% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.39% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-02-14, 09:58 | Link #101 | |||
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Hey, another crazy coincidence: The town is also named Yomiyama. I personally think it's a lot more likely she named her shop after the town than that she named her shop after a dead person from 26 years ago. Yeah, that's kind of a hole in your theory as well, that since Yomiyama Misaki died 26 years ago, Mei would have to be 25 years or older, otherwise Yomiyama would've been dead before his supposed wife got pregnant. Quote:
I think you missed the point entirely here. It was proven this episode that the curse only works within the city. The point here is that Kouchi's memories were altered, and his father was the one telling the truth. |
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2012-02-14, 10:00 | Link #102 | |
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It's also why the conversation about Mami Asakura is so interesting, because the librarian is essentially using this person as an example of someone who died 3 years previously who then became the Other for that year's class and triggered the calamity. |
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2012-02-14, 10:10 | Link #103 | ||
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Also about Mei's cousin,we're told that the curse affects relatives up to 2 degrees of separation. But don't cousin's have 3? (child of the sibling of your parent) therefore a cousin dying would be unrelated to the curse.
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2012-02-14, 10:22 | Link #105 | |
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On another note, one thing which has been bugging me for a while - is the "ignored" person also a potential victim, or would the "he/she doesn't exist" pretense actually serve as a shield of sorts, given how closely tied to the perceptions of class 3 the curse is? If pretending that someone doesn't exist is enough to hide them from the phenomenon's radar well enough to avoid triggering the curse, then isn't the class, ironically, doing Koichi a favor by pretending he doesn't exist as well - and thus masking his existence from it ? (along with Mei). Wouldn't that be grimly amusing.
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2012-02-14, 10:29 | Link #107 |
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Both Kouichi and Mei seemed to have had near-deaths experiences, I wonder if that would shield them from the curse and hopefully they won't die by the end of the series. I really want a good ending for these two >_<
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2012-02-14, 10:41 | Link #108 |
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Whoa, lots of really interesting speculah here. I read through it all and the very first thing I want to say is to Skyfall. Man, you are confusing between Reiko and Ritsuko in your posts You keep saying "What matters is if Ritsuko died at all?" etc. when you mean Reiko. Ritsuko obviously died already because that's Kouichi's mom's name. Your theory about Reiko being the another is interesting otherwise. Mostly because of her "I can't stand that damn bird" comment. I like the idea that the Mynah and the grandpa are mourning for her while she is right before them in flesh and blood. So eerie and yet so freaking awesome
I kind of am giving up the no supernatural camp now. It'd appear that the purpose of the show is to play out a supernatural mystery and focus on how people act in face of it rather than work as a crime fiction. I'd be pleasantly surprised if a rational explanation was still made though. It'd be doubly awesome if they gave us hints as to that but left the thing ambiguous at the end. However, I also like the idea that Misaki's mom is the original Misaki o_o. I have a thing for outlandish theories I guess. Regardless, given how eerie the shop is, perhaps the name is indeed more significant than just a creepy title. "Yomiyama's hollow blue/green eyes", eh? It might also be why Kirika gave Misaki a freaking green eyeball. She must have known this Yomiyama person somehow. Btw, most posters seem to be assuming that Yomiyama Misaki died along with his family in the fire. But Chibiki only said that his entire family died in a fire in May, right? Did that include Yomiyama for sure? Oh and before I forget, Sakakibara and his imagination Regardless, I want more blood and despair and more romance all at the same time. I am not worried one bit because the atmosphere in this show is already it's best asset. This is awesome. This season has some pretty awesome stuff going on. Edit: Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Thanks to the poster who pointed out that Akazawa Kazuma, a deceased from 1996, has the same address as Akazawa now, I have a wild idea that she is that person and thus the another. I know that Kazuma's name is still in the roster of 96 but what's to say that the explanation given by Chibiki is wholly correct? If the another changes their name then there would be no need to modify the records of the original class. And given that Chibiki seems to have figured out who was the another for the class of 96 thanks to the record modification phenomenon (no idea how btw, considering his memory and the records are all supposed to return to normal), perhaps the curse or whatever it is that is responsible for the record modification got smarter and modified only the another's name? I like that idea if only for the ironic humor that everybody else's hand would appear warm to Akazawa who is the dead one with cold hands
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2012-02-14, 10:49 | Link #109 | ||
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On a side note, I really love how people speculate in this thread. I wouldnt have figured out half the stuff here on my own, it is just so nice to see all the ideas pool together. |
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2012-02-14, 10:56 | Link #110 | |
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And yes, speculahs and discussions about morality (I really wish people would be debating as to whether or not and how the another should be dealt with considering they are innocent, or are they even - considering the record modification and what not? Here's to hoping that once the show hits the point where something needs to be done, discussions will include morality etc.) are what make following a series live worth it. Those people who wait for a series end then marathon through miss out a great deal.
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2012-02-14, 11:01 | Link #111 |
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I would like to throw something into the discussion.
Remember how the countermeasures girl said that she thinks Kouichi looks familiar to her. Now, had he lived in the town before and just left for 1,5 years, then of course she would know him. And the curse is clouding her memories, but she faintly remembers him. Had he just come for the funeral and left afterwards, it is unlikely anybody from the school would remember him or have seen him. |
2012-02-14, 11:01 | Link #112 | |
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Most of the assumptions now are based almost solely on Mei and Kouichi's talk in EP5 and Kouichi and Chibiki's talk in EP6. I think the problem now is that they sort of contradict each other. It's getting good because you can interpret what is given multiple ways. Should we take everything that Mei and Chibiki says at face value? Probably not. Because like someone mentioned earlier, Mei doesn't know the complete truth, neither does Chibiki either.Though it does feel like Chibiki has been researching on the subject for a while. Essentially you would have to agree with Chibiki that there is no curse. That there's no malice in it. People die naturally by coincidence. And that there exists a photo with Yomiyama Misaki in it. That the range of the "curse" is only within the reach of Yomiyama prefecture. However all this knowledge is extremely dubious. Spoiler for Chibiki:
I cannot accept Mei's explanation of the "curse" either because Spoiler for Mei:
Then something else that I want to know: Is the Misaki of Yomiyama Misaki the same as the Misaki of Misaki Mei? That could be important. And since this is the Japanese we are talking about, names with the same pronunciation could have greatly different kanji, it's hinted that this might be important all the way back when Mei and Kouichi first talked. One last question: Has it been confirmed that Kouichi's mom's name is Ritsuko Sakakibara yet? If it is Ritsuko Yomiyama or Ritsuko Misaki, I would laugh my face off. I also think it's quite hard to find a rational solution to this because technically speaking, no crime was committed. Yet. Let's wait and see if someone dies an unnatural death by murder. Then we can start talking. Spoiler for Random Stuff that doesn't matter:
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2012-02-14, 11:21 | Link #113 |
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I rewatch the episode again. Firstly i think the librarian words have to be taken as perceived truths otherwise it will be too trollish.
The original Misaki is a guy and he positively died. Other than kickstarting this phenomenon i believe his purpose is done. (He probably is there on the second year as well since the Another has to be someone who died previously. No one died except him in the first year right?) The librarian said 15years ago is Reiko's year. I think she said she wasn't in class 3 though. If she is to be believed then Ritsuko's death could not be attributed to her. Also something happened that summer that stopped the phenomenon. Could it be like Final Destination where giving birth (life) is a factor? (I know it ends up not actually working) Regarding the records of 1993 and 1996 i think what happens is this. He memorises the roster for the previous years before hand. (He got too much free time) When the Another appears in 1996 the name in 1993 disappear leaving a blank and with the memory trick he couldn't remember who. End of 1996, the name reappears and he notes who the Another is in the 1996 section. Alternatively he could just wait for the name to appear since he is familiar with the phenomenon. I also take back my suspicion on the MC being the Another. The pointlessness of the father calling a dead son is too strong. The MC also asked Misaki whether she could tell who is the Another but was interrupted. Could she have the ability? There are a couple of points i am suspicious of. How did they come out with the counter measures anyway. Surely it is not something that happens as pure coincidence. Even a person who is a loner will have to take tests and exams. Or do they have a student who is sick for the whole year and everyone just forget about him/her. Another point is Reiko instructed the MC to observe the class rules. How would she know about it anyway. Non class 3 related personnel shouldn't be informed about it. Class 3 students are instructed not to tell it to even their parents. |
2012-02-14, 12:16 | Link #114 | |
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2012-02-14, 12:57 | Link #115 | |
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The dancing scene was great but Kouichi needs to fake a heart attack. "Oh my god he's dying, call an ambulance!" "JKlol!!" "FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU---"
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2012-02-14, 13:13 | Link #116 |
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Ok, before I continue my theories, lets just get a few facts straight.
It's ok if you don't believe these facts to be true, but the way I see the information, these are the current facts: How the curse/calamity/what's in a name works. 1) At some point at beginning of the school year (but not right from the start of the school year), the amount of seats in the classroom stops adding up with the amount of students in the class, meaning an extra student has mysteriously popped up out of nowhere. This is a proven fact. Everybody knows this. Therefore, Reiko-san can't be it, since she can't possibly the one causing there to be one too many students in the classroom, after all, she's not in that class, nor is she even attending that school, nor is she young enough to be attending school at all. 2) Up until that point, everyone is safe. This means that the students can freely talk about what's going on and about what countermeasures are going to be taken that year. Mind you, this is apparently something that the students of Class 3 tend to keep to themselves. What outsiders know about it is usually either hearsay or just random rumors. Don't ask me why or complain about how that's stupid, that's the way things are. 3) All documents and memories are altered to make sure that nobody knows who the added student is. ALL documents, and ALL memories. Unlike the deaths (which I'll get to in a bit), it seems that the memory alteration affects anyone. Including librarian guy (he said it himself), also the entire school staff, and most likely everyone in town and probably outside of it too. From what I gather from Sakakibara's conversation with his father, the memory alteration isn't an instant thing though. It's more like, the effect cascades every time somebody makes a statement that doesn't add up with the false "truth". Somebody who has already had their memory altered proposes that what they're saying is wrong, the one making the statement would then get a momentary brainfart, and proceed to say something like "you're right, I don't know what led to me thinking that". 4) After the "new" student is added, people start dying at least once a month, unless certain countermeasures are taken. None of the countermeasures work 100% and none of them are foolproof, but it's better to try than not. Uhhh, I think this part has already been explained pretty thoroughly, including what countermeasures people have come up with. Cause of death can apparently be ANYTHING. Also, the countermeasures seem to be a double edged sword. Willingly/accidentally going against the rules seems to increase the chances of the calamity affecting you by an incredible amount. This is only a theory of mine, but unless there is a different factor at work, which I won't rule out, the reason Sakakibara has been safe so far, is because he has been unaware of the rules. 5) Deaths occur among the students, the homeroom teachers, and their family members, up to two tiers. Here's where what I really want to talk about comes in. This is the one leading to a theory of which I am absolutely convinced that there is at least some merit to it. People who have so far been hit by the calamity so far fit within these boundaries. All of the family members who died were siblings, or parents. Library guy said two tiers, so there probably have been cases of grandparents dying as well. This means, that by extension, the ones who are also in danger are children, grandchildren, and possibly nephews/nieces. Let that one sink in for a bit. Now that I've finished establishing the rules of the calamity (as far as we know), let me go into a different bit of info. During Reiko's year, the deaths suddenly stopped halfway through the year. Anyone see where I'm going with this? |
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Incidentally, I find it interesting that Chibiki the librarian claims that the curse itself doesn't "feel" malignant. I take it that he was referring to the "extra", that it isn't feel like a malicious entity, whatever it is. It's curious that he would say that, because the deaths that occur after it appears are anything but "natural", like those caused by typhoons or quakes. Especially not deaths caused by people who suddenly go, "Heeeere's Johnny!" Quote:
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But perhaps it might make a good discussion topic in a separate thread? For one thing, I'd earlier observed that Another draws heavily on existential views about individuality and social identity that are uniquely Japanese. I still have a wad of raw notes from the Cool Japan Forum I attended last year at Anime Festival Asia, recording author Keiichiro Hirano's rambling views about maintaining "individuality" from a community perspective, how keeping multiple persona helps a person maintain individuality amid multiple scenarios (sound familiar? Mei echoed almost the same thoughts in this episode). What struck me is that Hirano basically echoed an angst that appears frequently in anime and other kinds of Japanese media, which made me wonder what is it about Japan that puts people in this frame of mind. High-brow (not to mention, depressive) Japanese authors — from Natsume Soseki to Haruki Murakami — almost always obsess over such issues. It's like a sickness of sorts that just wouldn't go away from their collective consciousness. It's the 21st century. Why haven't the Japanese moved on from such pondering? Anyways, TL;DR. It's still a bit early to tell if Another warrants such discussion, I feel, though I wouldn't mind chewing such gristly fat if Others are interested. Sudden thought: It's interesting that we, the viewers, haven't been shown the names on the family altar in Kouichi's grandparents' home... I belong to the camp who believes that this is evidence of the phenomenon's physical effect on people's memories. The weird static is the sound of actual electrical signals being manipulated by the phenomenon, an illustration of its preternatural power. Last edited by TinyRedLeaf; 2012-02-14 at 13:30. |
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There is one thing I'm upset about though:back in episode 1 Mei told Kouichi that they associated his name with a cruel death that happened at this school.Kouichi still hasn't asked what that was about,if it's not the murder of the original Misaki then who is it? And finaly maybe Kouichi's dad says "my mistake" but that doesn't mean he think Kouichi's never been there. This is what Kouichi told him Quote:
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2012-02-14, 15:15 | Link #119 | |
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Which is a pretty important part - Koichi being brainwashed of the fact that he visited the place at all, be it 1.5 , 3 or anything in between years ago. The phenomenon doesn't just randomly change people's memories, it does so with a specific goal - in order to accommodate the "Another", to ensure that no one could look upon it and recognize it as a person who should be dead. With that in mind, why did the phenomenon completely remove the memory of Koichi visiting Yomiyama 18 months ago ? Not just some bits or pieces of it, but the very fact he went there altogether had to be removed. From that we can draw the conclusion that Koichi simply being there at the time puts the identity of "Another" at risk. He mustn't recall of having a reason to go there. Following the Reiko=dead theory, and assuming that Koichi would have visited the town for her funeral, it indeed makes sense for the phenomenon to completely erase said trip from his memory. Just having him forget some part of it isn't enough, he must forget of having gone there altogether - because the entire purpose of said would-be funeral trip endangers the "Another's" true nature, if Reiko is indeed it.
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Also don't forget that Mei was not yet being ignored during April because the number of seats was adding up and the council had only appointed her beforehand in case they wouldn't add up on the 1st day of school somehow. Mei was being ignored after the class was notified that Kouichi would be coming. When the committee visited Kouichi in the hospital Fujioka might have already been dead. Of course the problem is Mei saying she's her cousin, which makes her too removed in terms of blood relations. Quote:
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