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Xenosnake · 2012-01-04, 04:08

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Originally Posted by Lord of Fire

If they stated they would censor any of the Monogatari series, go complain to the licensing company till they change their minds. It worked with FUNi when people complained about them wanting to censor Vampire Bund (which also had some stuff in it that might not have flown well with Westerners), so I don't see why this can't happen with others as well. Or just don't buy/watch it if they persist.

As for me, the only question on my mind is: when will this friggin' region block practice die?

Probably never.

Malkuth · 2012-01-04, 04:23

Bakemonogatari has close to 100k sales, that alone implies that its appeal crosses beyond the 10k otaku domestically. Now given the amount of cultural references and ignoring how lame they will turn out in an american localization, unless one is at least a little familiar with the culture (not necessarily from anime/manga), I also can not see it working.

Save for Hitagi/Koyomi relationship the other stories will be hard to explain, and even Hitagi's background will be incomprehensible without knowing how religion and cults are viewed and treated in Japan.

That's not implying that it can not sell overseas, but in order to do so the content must radically change to a degree that it won't be Bakemonogatari, but a show using its animation and adapting its dialogues. Similar attempts were done before for J-horror, as well as Mexican and Spanish films, with commercial success, but very questionable artistic results.

karice67 · 2012-01-04, 04:25

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Originally Posted by Lord of Fire

As for me, the only question on my mind is: when will this friggin' region block practice die?

There's probably little we can do about the streaming blocks, unless you want one huge company to dominate across the world, which probably isn't particularly good for consumers...

As for the DVDs/BDs, I was going to say that, if they follow what they did with Bakemonogatari, the Nise BDs will be region free too...

But when I look on amazon now, they say that they're region A.

Then again, that's what amazon says for the studio Ghibli Blu-rays too, and AFAIK, those are region free...

Shikijin · 2012-01-04, 04:38

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Originally Posted by omimon

What I'm trying to get at here is that since the show is being licensed, what does that say about the content? Is "certain" scenes going to be censored or outright not animated? Only time will tell but I have a really bad feeling about this.

It's not like even in Japan there aren't regulations. Nisio stated books are less regulated than anime, so that's why he could get away with that stuff, but nevertheless there is some limit to what you can show in television. Shaft will have to resort to their usual tricks. With Kizu they will probably have more free hand because it is a movie, which is already less regulated than a TV series.

And I don't think Shaft mind their shows being licensed abroad in any way. There are plenty of fanservice shows that already made their way on the American market, after all (I see the aforementioned Queen's Blade was licensed, for example).
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Originally Posted by Malkuth

Bakemonogatari has close to 100k sales, that alone implies that its appeal crosses beyond the 10k otaku domestically. Now given the amount of cultural references

You may not get a joke, but you still can get the story. And even if you don't get the joke the images may be amusing. You are overplaying this.

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Save for Hitagi/Koyomi relationship the other stories will be hard to explain, and even Hitagi's background will be incomprehensible without knowing how religion and cults are viewed and treated in Japan.

Sorry, but cults that con people are everywhere. I mean, IIRC there was even an episode of the Simpsons where Homer enters a sect. There is nothing uniquely Japanese in that.

I see no problem with the other stories as well.

***relentlessflame*** · 2012-01-04, 06:50

As I alluded to before, I think some people are being way too paranoid about the potential foibles of licensing and releasing this show. The show is renowned enough in fan circles that they can just keep it exactly as is; it's not so Japanese that foreign audiences can't understand it, or else at least half the people talking in this thread would have not understood the show either. The amount of anime that have been altered to be released in International markets these days are extremely minimal. And thoughts that they'd alter the anime in Japan in order to keep international audience in mind are again just paranoid, especially given how small the international market is compared to the domestic one.

Anyway, this is a Nisemonogatari thread, and so far the only thing they've announced is that the show will be simulcast. If you don't like the fact that it'll be simulcast, you can just ignore it. They're not going to ruin the show just virtue of being there; the show will still exist. If the show gets a full license, we can create a new thread and discuss it again in there, but for now let's just stick to the actual show in question.

omimon · 2012-01-04, 10:09

Two days.....

sa547 · 2012-01-04, 12:56

^
Dang, she's so sweet and rosy right there.

I wouldn't mind about the licensing or whatever, I still look forward to this show.

Dextro · 2012-01-04, 15:56

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Originally Posted by relentlessflame

I think you're severely over-playing both a) the "uniquely Japanese appeal" of the show (the franchise is quite popular here on this English anime forum, no less -- who do you think the target audience is if not anime fans?), and b) the extent of the "localization" you think either Crunchyroll or a home media licensor would have to do to make it palatable (and the perception that whatever translation you did see was somehow not being "localized", or was more "pure").

Aniplex has said in the past that licensing negotiations for Bakemonogatari were on-going, and the fact that Nisemonogatari is streaming is likely a good sign. I don't think there's any particular reason why it wouldn't be released in some form (whether it's the form people want notwithstanding).

Well I don't consider it more "pure" but CR does have a really hard tendency to over-localize which I said before I'm OK with even if I'm not a fan of some of their decisions. And yes, I am fully aware Bakemonogatari has a large following amongst the more "experienced" anime watchers outside of Japan but even that doesn't make the show much easier to follow since it does rely quite a bit on culture-specific jokes and plays with the Japanese language.

I will however concede that I may be overly negative in analyzing the marketability of Bakemonogatari outside Japan since I've been know to be overly negative before.

Candyshark · 2012-01-04, 17:11

I knew this hairstyle may suit her evn better than old one.

On localization subject to be honest Bake is so dialog-heavy part of me wished rather hear it in dub than constantly pause to read subs. As long general idea of joke, pun, gist is conveyed. I don't really need to get every minor detail across.

So tomorrow sister's image.

omimon · 2012-01-05, 10:00

One day....

omimon · 2012-01-05, 14:10

http://www.nisemonogatari-anime.com/...ndex.html#n023

On Saturday we are getting 6 different CMs leading up to the premiere. Starting from as early as 6:00am.

blakstealth · 2012-01-05, 14:40

Holy shit. And awww, Shinobu. :3

Romanticide · 2012-01-05, 22:31

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Originally Posted by omimon

http://www.nisemonogatari-anime.com/...ndex.html#n023

On Saturday we are getting 6 different CMs leading up to the premiere. Starting from as early as 6:00am.

Maybe we'll actually get a glimpse at Shinobu this time.

zato_1one · 2012-01-06, 03:03

WOW! Tsubasa is surprisingly cute in that pic. She should use that hairstyle from the start.

Hiroi Sekai · 2012-01-06, 03:10

Those images...I just died and went to heaven's heaven.

P.S. Senjougahara wins by far for me in that collection of wallpapers.

Shikijin · 2012-01-06, 03:53

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Originally Posted by zato_1one

WOW! Tsubasa is surprisingly cute in that pic. She should use that hairstyle from the start.

She couldn't

There was the nekomata motif, so two braids to symbolize a cat with two tails.

Malkuth · 2012-01-06, 04:01

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Originally Posted by zato_1one

WOW! Tsubasa is surprisingly cute in that pic. She should use that hairstyle from the start.

The timid bookworm look (glasses + twin braids) fitted her personality perfectly, before the cat took over (and she look changed accordingly). Now that she is free from both, she can reflect it in her appearance.

Pacify · 2012-01-06, 05:37

Dang only one day to go already! Jeez, that so awesome

Hiroi Sekai · 2012-01-06, 05:56

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Originally Posted by Pacify

Dang only one day to go already! Jeez, that so awesome

Yeah, this is gonna be the greatest thing ever.

Xical · 2012-01-06, 06:17

I´m the only one who think there is something strange in those images?

2012-01-04, 06:50	Link #305
*relentlessflame* 　 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 41	As I alluded to before, I think some people are being way too paranoid about the potential foibles of licensing and releasing this show. The show is renowned enough in fan circles that they can just keep it exactly as is; it's not so Japanese that foreign audiences can't understand it, or else at least half the people talking in this thread would have not understood the show either. The amount of anime that have been altered to be released in International markets these days are extremely minimal. And thoughts that they'd alter the anime in Japan in order to keep international audience in mind are again just paranoid, especially given how small the international market is compared to the domestic one. Anyway, this is a Nisemonogatari thread, and so far the only thing they've announced is that the show will be simulcast. If you don't like the fact that it'll be simulcast, you can just ignore it. They're not going to ruin the show just virtue of being there; the show will still exist. If the show gets a full license, we can create a new thread and discuss it again in there, but for now let's just stick to the actual show in question. __________________ [...]

2012-01-04, 12:56	Link #307
sa547 Senior Member Author Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Philippines Age: 47	^ Dang, she's so sweet and rosy right there. I wouldn't mind about the licensing or whatever, I still look forward to this show. __________________

2012-01-06, 03:03	Link #314
zato_1one Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	WOW! Tsubasa is surprisingly cute in that pic. She should use that hairstyle from the start. __________________

2012-01-04, 04:23	Link #302
Malkuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Age: 43	Bakemonogatari has close to 100k sales, that alone implies that its appeal crosses beyond the 10k otaku domestically. Now given the amount of cultural references and ignoring how lame they will turn out in an american localization, unless one is at least a little familiar with the culture (not necessarily from anime/manga), I also can not see it working. Save for Hitagi/Koyomi relationship the other stories will be hard to explain, and even Hitagi's background will be incomprehensible without knowing how religion and cults are viewed and treated in Japan. That's not implying that it can not sell overseas, but in order to do so the content must radically change to a degree that it won't be Bakemonogatari, but a show using its animation and adapting its dialogues. Similar attempts were done before for J-horror, as well as Mexican and Spanish films, with commercial success, but very questionable artistic results.

2012-01-04, 10:09	Link #306
omimon Professional Hikkikomori Join Date: Feb 2009	Two days.....

2012-01-04, 17:11	Link #309
Candyshark Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011	I knew this hairstyle may suit her evn better than old one. On localization subject to be honest Bake is so dialog-heavy part of me wished rather hear it in dub than constantly pause to read subs. As long general idea of joke, pun, gist is conveyed. I don't really need to get every minor detail across. So tomorrow sister's image.

2012-01-05, 10:00	Link #310
omimon Professional Hikkikomori Join Date: Feb 2009	One day....

2012-01-05, 14:10	Link #311
omimon Professional Hikkikomori Join Date: Feb 2009	http://www.nisemonogatari-anime.com/...ndex.html#n023 On Saturday we are getting 6 different CMs leading up to the premiere. Starting from as early as 6:00am.

2012-01-05, 14:40	Link #312
blakstealth Les Pays Bass Join Date: Jun 2011	Holy shit. And awww, Shinobu. :3

2012-01-06, 05:37	Link #318
Pacify Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Aussie Age: 37	Dang only one day to go already! Jeez, that so awesome

2012-01-06, 06:17	Link #320
Xical Phantom User Join Date: Apr 2010	I´m the only one who think there is something strange in those images?