2011-06-27, 09:14 | Link #741 |
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Shiki, Fractale, C, and to a certain extent Tatami Galaxy are all otaku anime. And to top that off they have the ultimate chuunibyou otaku anime planned for fall, Guilty Crown. Main Code Geass writers with Araki directing? Obviously an otaku show. Haruhi/K-ON!/Lucky Star/any generic moe anime fans aren't the only type of otaku.
I'm guessing that ratings revenue wasn't enough to fund the anime they were producing in the noitaminA slot even with high ratings, so they decided to switch their model to anime that would sale well on discs (which hasn't been going too well for them with the exception of Eden of the East and AnoHana).
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2011-06-27, 11:33 | Link #742 |
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I get C and to a certain extent Fractale.
Tatami Galaxy doesn't seem otaku to me. It seems perfect for the demo frankly. Otaku shows generally seem to be of a certain confined ilk, having some distinct type of story hook or character types denoting it. TG didn't seem to match any of the stuff you see topping Newtype or Animage polls. I always did think Shiki was an odd choice, then again I haven't seen much of it. |
2011-06-27, 19:45 | Link #744 | ||
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Since 2009, they've admitted that the current goal is to have their cake and eat it too. Basically, they want a 20ish female audience to continue watching the shows, but simultaneously, they want enough otaku fans to buy DVD/BDs.
What we see is watered down otaku content or spiced up mainstream-esque stuff (a recent exception was Hourou Musuko, which wasn't originally supposed to air on noitaminA. Aniplex cut a deal with Fuji when they realized that they couldn't market it through typical means). At any rate, selling the shows to otaku is a main goal. .....which is precisely why they've struggled to find a receptive audience. That middle ground hasn't exactly been an enticing formula to either camps. Quote:
2. Tatsuyuki Nagai's signature approach to moe facial expression (used in Toradora and Railgun, but not the distinctly josei H&C2) 3. Emo adolescent male lead + idealization of childhood 4. Simple melodrama and narrative with little sophistication (essentially what otaku authors thrive on) I'd agree that compared to a lot of shows, the pandering is toned down to extend appeal to different demographics. However, it's undeniable that they cherry picked strong otaku selling points to cater to that audience. Judging by the instant success of the show, it worked brilliantly. Quote:
If I had to guess, Tatami Galaxy possibly appealed to an "art house" segment of otaku - those who follow renowned directors, appreciate esoteric visual design, and study technique. OTOH, it was a turnoff to mainstream viewers, who didn't find the approach to be terribly interesting. |
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2011-06-27, 20:07 | Link #745 | |
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Well, unless you think Anohana is total otaku show (i.e. not even middle ground), with little appeal to the old Noitamina audience.
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2011-06-27, 20:28 | Link #746 | |
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Aniplex is actually the main producer on Anohana (and they have master licensing rights), which makes me wonder whether it was even intended for noitaminA early on. |
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2011-06-27, 21:57 | Link #748 | |
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Vampire anime are typically only liked by otaku, which is partly why a show like Blood+ bombed in the Doroku timeslot but sold alright in discs (not near what's acceptable for Doroku/Nichigo, but decent for anime in general). Even if you don't consider Shiki an otaku show (which it is) it's obviously not intended for the young female demographic that noitaminA of old catered to, unless you want to use the NatsuxTouru implications as an argument.
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2011-06-27, 22:11 | Link #749 | |
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edit: though I just remembered, the NatsunoxTohru factor could have been a pretty big factor, considering what I read about the Shiki event a few months ago... Dunno whether Fujisaki Ryu being the manga artist would have had any effect - though it did for me, given that Houshin Engi is one of my favourite manga. ----- Come to think of it, if most of the AS viewers thought that Shiki was a vampire anime aimed at otaku audiences, it's no wonder they were disappointed!
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2011-06-28, 05:41 | Link #751 | ||
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This article might shed some light on why the change in the target demographic was made
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2011-07-04, 02:43 | Link #753 |
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2011-07-08, 00:35 | Link #755 |
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The two shows aired 15 minutes later than usual, but this is clearly not an 'excuse' for the terrible number. UsaDro had such a satisfying first episode too.
Sorry for the lateness, I'll update the ratings for past weeks during this weekend.
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2011-07-08, 17:29 | Link #757 | |
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IMO some shows just have the wrong broadcasting time to be "successful", what ever that means. |
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2011-07-08, 19:37 | Link #758 | |
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1.2% if it's the right number has to be a near all time low score for that slot that's been running for 6 years. Which is a shame,both shows were quite good.
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2011-07-09, 04:56 | Link #760 | |
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I personally think that most of their series have a broader appeal, but broadcasting time is just not suited for them. |
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