(L) Shiki

[chaos_alfa]

Originally Posted by stadtkind

What change in Megumi are you guys talking about? She happily killed Toru because he was close to Natsuno and she's now happily planning to attack Kaori because she thinks she'd gotten close to Natsuno too. Nothing new here.

Also, Natsuno's dad had been a right douche before this ep but I couldn't BELIEVE he went off looking for his wife instead of check on Natsuno! The guy's not right in the head at all.

I don't think it's that strange. He didn't believe what was written in the letter so he tried to verify it with the writer (his wive).

[achirist]

I felt sorry for Natsuno's dad; too bad the tanaka kids couldn't have died first... Now his wife and son will likely rise up and he'll be out too. Seishin's father is another ugly creep that could have done without broadcasting his face. I really hope that the Dr. is planning to just let his wife rise as a vampire and then talk to and observe her; not turn into Dr. Mengel and perform criminal experiments. I think humans that kill vampires should still be arrested and tried for murder.

[karice67]

Originally Posted by orion

First season OP hinted otherwise but it's never been confirmed. We don't know how he pulled that trick off. A human wouldn't survive very long in a household of vampires.

Wouldn't that depend on whether he's on the side of the vampires or not? Not everyone rises up, so if he is indeed human as the doctor observed, then it's possible that the shiki haven't tried to turn him because he might not come back.

[Kanon]

Originally Posted by orion

Tatsumi and Sunako's dad can't be the only 2 daywalkers. The human side needs one too.

Why? All the humans can walk during the day, which is already a major advantage they have over the shikis. They don't need a daywalker in their ranks. Tatsumi, for all we know, is the shikis' only line of defense during the day. And it's not like Tatsumi is superman, I'm sure he can still be killed by competent humans.

[Shiroth]

The human side having a daywalker would turn this series into something i don't want it to be. The story is perfectly fine with the way it's been progressing as of late, so let's just see where it goes.

[jeroz]

I thought the Natsuno's mother was already bitten? which would explain the sudden disappearance.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by jeroz

I thought the Natsuno's mother was already bitten? which would explain the sudden disappearance.

She hasn't been shown being bitten, but yeah that's the most logical explanation after seeing how she's been acting this past couple of episodes.

[karice67]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

Natsuno's parents had their own thing going. Natsuno was definitely second in either of their affection. They dragged him to the country because they themselves wanted to be there. I personally don't feel negative toward them, particularly. They just had their own thing going -- excellent in itself, but hard on those around them and unfortunate in these circumstances. Other people ruin their own relationship by concentrating entirely on the child. Human life.

Hm...it seemed more like Natsuno's parents thought that moving to the countryside would be good for him too - living close to nature, not having to lock your doors etc. My own father decided to emigrate out of my home country because he wanted us to have an actual childhood, rather than be part of a rat-race. It's not like we knew any better at that age (just a few years younger than Natsuno). Where his father failed was not actually finding out WHY his son was suddenly acting up, being all paranoid etc.

Originally Posted by Shiroth

The human side having a daywalker would turn this series into something i don't want it to be.

How so - what don't you want it to be? I personally think that there are still a number of ways they could go even if the human side gets a daywalker. I mean, do you seriously think they would let someone drink their blood just because he/she's on their side? Not to mention that most of the villagers are still completely oblivious/turning a blind eye...

Whatever happens, I'm putting my trust in Ono-sensei's storytelling. It's also pretty interesting to think about the range of possible paths that the story can take from here.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by karice67

How so - what don't you want it to be?

I don't want it to turn into a vs series, and adding in a daywalker in the human's side could very well make that happen. Still i know Ono is a fantastic writer, so i trust that even if that did happen, it wouldn't mean Shiki would no longer be the series we all love.

I wanna stay away from the speculation side of things anyway. Just watching how this story progresses is easily one of the strong points.

[orion]

Originally Posted by karice67

Wouldn't that depend on whether he's on the side of the vampires or not? Not everyone rises up, so if he is indeed human as the doctor observed, then it's possible that the shiki haven't tried to turn him because he might not come back.

But he wouldn't be able to control Tatsumi as a human.

[orion]

Originally Posted by Shiroth

I don't want it to turn into a vs series, and adding in a daywalker in the human's side could very well make that happen. Still i know Ono is a fantastic writer, so i trust that even if that did happen, it wouldn't mean Shiki would no longer be the series we all love.

I wanna stay away from the speculation side of things anyway. Just watching how this story progresses is easily one of the strong points.

But the pics in the first OP were implying this. Besides with an invading and winning vampire side and the losing human side, it does turn into a versus title. Both sides want the other side dead and vampires usually win with one human survivor to insure the chances of a sequel.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by orion

But the pics in the first OP were implying this. Besides with an invading and winning vampire side and the losing human side, it does turn into a versus title. Both sides want the other side dead and vampires usually win with one human survivor to insure the chances of a sequel.

I was never one to believe the speculation from the first OP.

[karice67]

Originally Posted by Shiroth

I wanna stay away from the speculation side of things anyway. Just watching how this story progresses is easily one of the strong points.

In favour of speculation though...it makes me realise just how good a writer Ono-sensei is, because all the developments she chooses to follow make sense in terms of both character personalities and social setting.

Originally Posted by orion

But he wouldn't be able to control Tatsumi as a human.

All depends on who's actually in control. Given what we've seen of the Kirishiki so far, I'm personally leaning towards Sunako (based on her scenes with Seishin and the dinner table talk in episode 12)...though yeah, as long as nothing's confirmed...

Originally Posted by orion

But the pics in the first OP were implying this. Besides with an invading and winning vampire side and the losing human side, it does turn into a versus title. Both sides want the other side dead and vampires usually win with one human survivor to insure the chances of a sequel.

I'm sticking to the conviction that Ono-sensei's not going to give us something as straight-forward (and quite frankly, B-grade) as that.

[klare]

Natsuno: "I be back" (we all know he will)

i am guessing the doctor did not try to save his wife at all...

expecting a battle between Megumi-chan and the siblings soon

[PzIVf3]

Dont you think that huge fireball in the 2nd Op and the sparkling glitter at the top of the tree in the 1st Op might have someone ignite the fire in the surrounding forest and burn down the whole village?

[White Manju Bun]

Originally Posted by Shiroth

I don't want it to turn into a vs series, and adding in a daywalker in the human's side could very well make that happen. Still i know Ono is a fantastic writer, so i trust that even if that did happen, it wouldn't mean Shiki would no longer be the series we all love.

Well considering the humans are losing horribly in this "war" I could see it turning into vampire vs daywalker since aside from Toshio and Seishin, really what other humans do we have? Its already been stated the intention was to turn the village into corpses.

I dont see why her doing that would make Shiki any less awesome? Id still love it. At this point the humans need something on their side. Natsuno as a daywalker would be huge for them.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by White Manju Bun

I dont see why her doing that would make Shiki any less awesome?

Just my personal preference. Though like i said i'm welcome to see it happen and change my mind.

[Skyfall]

Originally Posted by White Manju Bun

I dont see why her doing that would make Shiki any less awesome?

What i think Shiroth feels is (i might be wrong for all i know ), that there doesn't necessarily need to be a "balance" between the forces. So far humans are heavily on the losing side, without the knowledge and the ability (or even knowing they are in danger) to fight back. Personally i find this as somewhat unique from storytelling principle. Perhaps they are meant to "lose". Typically, where there are vampires, there are vampire hunters. When vampires attack, people become aware and band together to fight back. Shiki stands out for me because it doesn't have those things. People are separated, helpless in their ignorance, and laugh at the idea of Kanemasa being supernatural, all while getting slowly devoured by the threat they can't see and laugh off (which is quite normal of a reaction).

I think this is largely what attributes to the excellent mood of Shiki - there is no hero that pops up to save day, no one to give a passionate speech to rally the villagers and make them believe, nothing - just the general feeling of inevitability and helplessness as the populace slowly gets the life drained out of it, and the quiet demise of those who noticed. We aren't watching a "fight" between the two sides, but a cold, systematic elimination of one side, as the other slowly and secretly grows in numbers and power; the village being consumed while remaining unaware feels like a real possibility. A slow and stealthy assimilation of the populace, rather than a real fight. This, in itself, is fairly unique.

Granted, i don't think "human" side getting a daywalker necessarily tips the scales all that much by itself, nor would it ruin the show by any means, but the "no fight" aspect would be somewhat diminished i believe. The complete imbalance as it stands now is a major charm point, for me at least, and i would mourn to see it gone.

[Shiroth]

Skyfall is pretty much on the ball as to my reasons behind saying that. Good job.

[White Manju Bun]

@Sky and @Shiro: ok I see, I guess since I never really saw as your normal vampire cliched stuff (like what Sky said about a Hunter coming in and killing everyone) having a daywalker possibly join the what humans are left didnt bother me too much since 1) we dont know what the penalities are for being a daywalker (so far Tatsumi makes it just look cool but I have to think there is so type of darker side) and 2) just cuz a daywalker joins doesnt mean the humans would win anyway XDD I just think at this point the humans need something since its getting to the point that possibly only Toshio might be left in the end.

I do also agree that I love how there is no hero, or even if we all viewed Natsuno as it (more though that he was kinda considered the "main character") and now, boom he's dead with the likely hood of becoming a shiki. Nice twist. Our last possible human hero is now Toshio who's taken flack in this thread since the series began

I could very well see this series end with no humans left in this town. Not saying the vampires are going to win but I see very few humans surviving.