2012-02-06, 17:24 | Link #21 | |
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Still, as james0246 alluded to, it'd still probably be more effective to buy merchandise and give the merchandise away if you don't want it, since that way you're not only supporting the industry, but you're spreading it to others who may later be driven to purchase merchandise themselves. But if it's just a matter of "I'm not willing to spend more than $5 even though I loved the product"... then I'm not sure there's much of a business model there. Or, at least, it would take an awful lot of donors to make up for one person buying a whole TV series on Japanese Blu-Ray discs (which typically retail for $450+). I'm not sure there are that many willing donors. This is sort of a side-topic, but this is a bit of an over-simplification that often annoys people who live in Japan. Watching anime in Japan usually requires either a cable or satellite subscription, sometimes living in certain areas where specific channels are offered, sometimes paying extra for Pay-TV stations, and either staying up real late (like midnight to 3am), or buying a PVR so you can "time-shift". Plus, unless you have a PVR and can archive, it's not like you then have a perfectly usable copy you can keep for all-time. The legal online alternatives in Japan are almost all pay services that don't generally allow for free streams. So even with our legal streaming services like Crunchyroll, we still have it really good compared to what a Japanese fan would have to go through just to legally watch anime that's supposedly "free". So, as an argument/justification, it's really of limited value, since it's more perception than fact.
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2012-02-06, 18:05 | Link #22 | |
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That being said, I still don't mind being your Soupy Sales.... Just send your "funny green pieces of paper with pictures of U.S. Presidents" (or the electronic equivalent) to me and I will see that they are used to support the Anime Industry (I'll even "donate" them to the company of your choice...). edit: btw, just like Soupy, I am joking. |
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2012-02-06, 19:27 | Link #24 |
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If it is fansubbers you want to support directly then why not just take a few extra weblink clicks and go to their site to see if they have a paypal donate link there? I have seen a few that have those....
To be honest I would not want animesuki to get involved in listing donation links or whatever, though.
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2012-02-06, 20:07 | Link #25 |
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As I mentioned before, iTunes does sell anime. You can buy it per episode (usually with HD and SD options, with SD being cheaper), or you can buy a "season pass" (again with HD and SD options). It seems like they offer dubs, I don't know about subtitle options, and I also don't know how recent their stuff is. I checked and found Angel Beats! on there, so it's not limited to the oldest series or the classics...
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2012-02-06, 21:25 | Link #26 |
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It sort of is, except it's saying "let people download the product for free, and then give them an opportunity to pay whatever they want, if they want, after they've consumed it". Some people have used that strategy successfully for a few things, but I can't really imagine many large businesses building a business model on that sort of principle, at least at this time. I think that sort of thing generally requires a sort of personal connection with the author/creator so the donor really feels their money is going to the people who actually created the product and so need/deserve it, and not to (what will inevitably be perceived as) a "large faceless corporation". Otherwise, the typical "money-for-product" exchange probably makes more sense to people -- again, at least right now.
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2012-02-07, 01:41 | Link #27 | ||
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Just to take my own industry, newspapers, for example. Laymen keep thinking it's so easy to produce "journalism" today, pointing to myriad examples of "free" content online. They have little to no idea how much investment in time, human, and monetary resources goes into producing even that little bit of credible information you see online, which people happily rip away, claiming that there is no such thing as "intellectual property", everything is free, yada yada. There are reasons why the "middlemen" exist. Because if they don't, all you'll get are extremely harried artists wasting resources on a whole lot of tedious logistical tasks when they should be creating instead. Quote:
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2012-02-07, 06:16 | Link #28 |
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^ If only those corporate freaks do not exist; money would have gone straight into the wallets of the contributors.
Unfortunately, Ansible, it's how large companies deal with media nowadays. They really don't care much about their customers and instead, only care about the customer's spendings on their merchandise. I don't think that these companies would appreciate the loose change fans would give to them, and even more so, they and the creators wouldn't like it when their expected fans are not buying their products.
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2012-02-07, 09:02 | Link #29 |
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Personally I just send Crunchyroll my $7 each month. I once thought about a method of donations to support anime producers, but there are just too many business and legal obstacles to make this happen. If you don't like Crunchy's lineup, you can subscribe to The Anime Network or Funimation instead. Another option is to watch the extensive array of anime now on Hulu and generate some advertising revenues.
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2012-02-07, 12:14 | Link #30 | |
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So all that to say that I think getting rid of the established structure would change the anime industry so radically that we would scarcely recognize it compared to what we see today. Though I'm all for the creative professionals and creators getting a greater share of consumer expenditures, I'm just not sure that it's so easy to break away from the industry... or that, as a viewer, I'd necessarily enjoy the results as much as what we have today. ...so anyway, all that said, I think we may be nearing the conclusion of this thread, as I don't think there's any practical way to implement the suggestion at this time, and many alternatives were proposed about how to support the industry in practical ways at the moment. I'll leave the thread open for a while longer in case anything else comes up, but it will likely get locked at some point as the suggestion isn't feasible.
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2012-02-07, 13:14 | Link #31 | |
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My unscientific unfounded opinion: the pirates aren't going away any time soon, and divising a way to tap into their bank accounts would be a wise move. The more convenient such a system is, the better it would work - probably the best would be to have it build right into a media player so the user can hit "like$" in the moment, whenever they feel like something is kickass. At any rate, we're not there yet as far as the payment channels being available - at least as far as I know. Maybe in the future micropayment links will become as normal as weblinks. Until they are this discussion is academic as far as animesuki is concerned. |
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2012-02-07, 22:04 | Link #32 |
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It is an incredibly attractive idea, but not feasible in the way you wish it to be, as was already demonstrated by the other members here. Still, I wish the anime industry made it easier for people who have small budgets to give their own contribution. I'm sure that there are many, *many* anime fans out there who want to contribute or so to the Japanese companies producing the anime they like but can't afford to buy $80 two-episode BD sets. Devising a way for these people around the globe to contribute $5 or so through the internet might prove to be an effective strategy.
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2012-02-08, 05:40 | Link #33 |
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^Are you going to give $5 to each animation studio? Because if you were, it would add up to BD costs. And if not, then you could just subscribe to CR. Does it matter really if you watch the anime they stream or not? You're still paying to the industry. I was subscribed to CR for quite a while until I cancelled it, and I never even used their website. I did watch a lot of series (from torrents) they streamed though but I didn't choose to pay to CR because of those series - CR just happened to pick them up.
So if you want to help a little, but can't afford much ; Subscribe to CR. Or buy merchandise. Merchandise gives money to the industry, and you gain something too.. The merchandise.
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