High School DxD Light Novel - Character power-ups, match-ups, and ratings

[syzorst]

Originally Posted by Hakai

Nope never said that. I specifically compared V4 Gasper in every posts


She was giving him trouble and he had to be really careful fighting her and ended early by using anti-female techniques.


Where? Which volume? Sun Wukong talked about his power output only

So what if it's hax lol. That's still part of her overall strength. It's like saying Apophis isn't Heavenly Dragon level because "potent hax"

Her attacks can seriously injure a top 10 level.
Even freeze their time

Still not God-class lol



That's assuming he can use his hax along with focusing on that much power.

Azazel himself said he didn't go all out. Cao Cao also admitted he was slightly inferior to Azazel.

@parry I don't have any problems with him being God-class but other than attack power there was no direct statement iirc just like Rias. But both got feats/portrayal to be God-class

Edit: 6000th post . I'm going to sleep, this is not going anywhere.

Okay and that's besides the point.

What way did she give him trouble? Sure she has countermeasures but none of them gave her an upperhand in the fight. Issei was just using his brain to end the the fight quickly instead of unnecessarily dragging it out. Issei ended the fight without so much as taking any blows from Rias. Him beating her by using an anti-female technique is nothing new because that's how he beat all his female opponents.

So is base Rias Maou class because of what she did to Grendel? Balor Rias overall power is above Maou class but she has abilities that helps her put up a fight against a God but it's been stated multiple times she's just above Maou class.

Power output only? I recall Cao Cao referring to EJOD to be a Super Devil. Considering how easily he crushed Pluto, he would be God class.

Seriously injured a top 10 level being? First of all, Fenrir is top 10 if he's at 100%. Second of all, seriously injure? She made him shed blood which is good for her because of the potent hax of POD. It's not like she was erasing parts of his body. You're giving Balor Rias too much credit here. Would you say Roygun is God class because she was countering Typhon (top 10 class being) attacks?

She could freeze Fenrir in time even though he could easily break out with little effort.

That's a baseless assumption.

Again, the fact Azazel went Fafnir armor.

[Blazor 98]

Syzorst has a point. Coriana (Sairaorg's bishop), Diodora(his pawns), Rudiger using Gabriel in a swimsuit and even a goddess like Nyx. Rias isn't the first person to come up with countermeasures against Issei's anti-female techniques. In the end Issei always finds a way to overcome them by using something they don't expect.

[bashkim1234]

Why do you guys think Ise will beat Dielhauser ? I mean if Dielhauser worthless can make every abiltiy worthless . Ise would not been even able to use his BxB or the abilties of boosted gear. Base Ise fighting a maou class devil ,this to much for Ise.

[Hakai]

Originally Posted by syzorst

Okay and that's besides the point.

What way did she give him trouble? Sure she has countermeasures but none of them gave her an upperhand in the fight. Issei was just using his brain to end the the fight quickly instead of unnecessarily dragging it out. Issei ended the fight without so much as taking any blows from Rias. Him beating her by using an anti-female technique is nothing new because that's how he beat all his female opponents.

She was keeping him on his toes and he either required pervy techniques or his big finishing moves if he actually really wanted to win.

So is base Rias Maou class because of what she did to Grendel? Balor Rias overall power is above Maou class but she has abilities that helps her put up a fight against a God but it's been stated multiple times she's just above Maou class.

No because it takes a long ass time to actually charge ES, it's not usable for one-on-one.

That's just your assumption, even if it's stated above Maou-class that doesn't confirm it's definitely below God-class unless stated otherwise.

Power output only? I recall Cao Cao referring to EJOD to be a Super Devil. Considering how easily he crushed Pluto, he would be God class.

He never saw a serious Super Devil yet so it's unknown how strong he really meant. In V24 Vali's only stated to match a Super Devil after going DxD L which increased his aura both in quality and quantity immensely

Seriously injured a top 10 level being? First of all, Fenrir is top 10 if he's at 100%. Second of all, seriously injure? She made him shed blood which is good for her because of the potent hax of POD. It's not like she was erasing parts of his body. You're giving Balor Rias too much credit here. Would you say Roygun is God class because she was countering Typhon (top 10 class being) attacks?

I'm talking about Ise. He admitted he'll take a lot of damage if she gets a good hit with POD. Same Ise could no sell attacks from Thanatos and even Vidar with just boots didn't do that much damage to the armour.

I would have called her God-class if Typhon was really wary of her and admitted "shit it'll be bad if I directly get hit by her attacks".

She could freeze Fenrir in time even though he could easily break out with little effort.

She still could do that to a top 10 guy close to prime that alone is impressive and means lower level opponents would have much tougher time with it

That's a baseless assumption.

Again, the fact Azazel went Fafnir armor.

Yes Cao Cao somehow holding back against Sairaorg is baseless indeed.

Fafnir armor or not he admitted Azazel was superior.

[Lex79]

Originally Posted by bashkim1234

Why do you guys think Ise will beat Dielhauser ? I mean if Dielhauser worthless can make every abiltiy worthless . Ise would not been even able to use his BxB or the abilties of boosted gear. Base Ise fighting a maou class devil ,this to much for Ise.

Defeating a seemingly impossible enemy is basically the protagonist's job. Issei can win by outsmarting him, if the rules of the match has particular rules for winning, awaken a new power that can bypass Worthless, summon Ddraig and let him do the dirty work.

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by Hakai

She was keeping him on his toes and he either required pervy techniques or his big finishing moves if he actually really wanted to win.


No because it takes a long ass time to actually charge ES, it's not usable for one-on-one.

That's just your assumption, even if it's stated above Maou-class that doesn't confirm it's definitely below God-class unless stated otherwise.


He never saw a serious Super Devil yet so it's unknown how strong he really meant. In V24 Vali's only stated to match a Super Devil after going DxD L which increased his aura both in quality and quantity immensely

I'm talking about Ise. He admitted he'll take a lot of damage if she gets a good hit with POD. Same Ise could no sell attacks from Thanatos and even Vidar with just boots didn't do that much damage to the armour.

I would have called her God-class if Typhon was really wary of her and admitted "shit it'll be bad if I directly get hit by her attacks".

She still could do that to a top 10 guy close to prime that alone is impressive and means lower level opponents would have much tougher time with it

Yes Cao Cao somehow holding back against Sairaorg is baseless indeed.

Fafnir armor or not he admitted Azazel was superior.

Keeping him on his toes? He was just using his brain to analyze her abilities. He was being patient instead of just recklessly charging at her. Again, her countermeasures didn't give her an upperhand in any way. An example of someone keeping him on his toes would be Kiba. Issei actually had trouble dealing with Kiba due to his speed and Gram. Issei using an anti-female technique on Rias was a way to end the fight quickly. It wasn't his only way to win. If he wanted to, he could've simply outlasted her since her form drains alot of stamina but why drag on a fight unnecessarily?

But it's still a technique she can do on her own and it's because of the potent hax POD that she was able to erase most of Grendel's body.

Was Balor Rias stated to be God class or Above Maou class? There's a difference. Was EJOD Vali stated to be God class or simply above Maou class? Was Psuedo DxD stated to be God class or simply above Maou class?

Super Devils are devil who's power in general are at God class and Vali's EJOD was stated to reach God class. Of course Cao Cao would make that claim. DxD L is Heavenly Dragon class so obviously it would match a Super Devil.

Rias has potent hax of POD so of course she could damage his armor. That doesn't mean anything. Again, look at what she did to Grendel despite being weaker than him.

The fact that Roygun was able to counter attacks from a top 10 class being is beyond incredible. Typhon attacks were able to defeat gods and yet Roygun was able to counter them using her own ability despite being weaker than Maou class. Typhon even praised her about it. By your logic Roygun would be God class.

Time stopping 80% Fenrir is impressive even though he was able to easily break out but not as impressive as Roygun standing up to Typhon because there is a bigger gap in power between her and Typhon then it is for Balor Rias and 80% Fenrir.

Cao Cao wanted a head to head fight against Sairaorg. He even made this claim in the translated part of DX4. Read Power 3.

He admitted Azazel was superior because of how dangerous his was. Azazel is even more cunning than Cao Cao afterall. With that said, Azazel still got stomp by Cao Cao in vol. 11.

[Hakai]

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

Keeping him on his toes? He was just using his brain to analyze her abilities. Again, her countermeasures didn't give her an upperhand in any way. An example of someone keeping him on his toes would be Kiba. Issei actually had trouble dealing with Kiba due to his speed and Gram. Issei using an anti-female technique on Rias was a way to end the fight quickly. It wasn't his only way to win. If he wanted to, he could've simply outlasted her since her form drains alot of stamina but why drag on a fight unnecessarily?

No he had to counter or dodge every attack from her and had to be very careful about the time stop. She definitely gave him a lot of trouble it wasn't one sided like Thanatos

But it's still a technique she can do on her own and it's because of the potent hax POD it allowed to do erase most of Grendel's body.

OK still doesn't make her Maou-class in one on one due to the charging weakness

Was Balor Rias stated to be God class or Above Maou class? There's a difference. Was EJOD Vali stated to be God class or simply above Maou class? Was Psuedo DxD stated to be God class or simply above Maou class?

EJO wasn't stated to be God-class either clearly. Only power output. Also being above Maou-class doesn't necessarily mean being being below God-class. If someone's stated to be above high class devil that doesn't mean they are definitely below ultimate

Super Devils are devil who's power in general are at God class and Vali's EJOD was stated to reach God class. Of course Cao Cao would make that claim. DxD L is Heavenly Dragon class so obviously it would match a Super Devil.

Cao Cao never actually saw a full power Super Devil yet.
That's not the point, he's only called Super Devil after going DxD L which increases aura massively

Rias has potent hax of POD so of course she could damage his armor. That doesn't mean anything. Again, look at what she did to Grendel despite being weaker than him.

The fact that Roygun was able to counter attacks from a top 10 class being is beyond incredible. Typhon attacks were able to defeat gods and yet Roygun was able to counter them using her own ability despite being weaker than Maou class. Typhon even praised her about it. By your logic Roygun would be God class.

Again the hax excuse lol.
The likes of Thanatos can't do shit to that armour but Rias can yet that "doesn't mean anything"
Countering his attack and physically threatening him is completely different.

Akeno could counter Grendel's attack with her own even in V14

Time stopping 80% Fenrir is impressive even though he was able to easily break but not as impressive as Roygun standing up to Typhon because there is an bigger gap in power between her and Typhon then it is for Balor Rias and 80% Fenrir.

Nah all she did was counter his spammable attacks. Freezing Fenrir's time is more impressive

Cap Cao wanted a head to head fight against Sairaorg. He even made this claim in the translated part of DX4. Read Power 3.

Still does not mean he could win fighting indirectly. Head on fight required him to focus his stamina on increasing the spear's power he can't do both

He admitted Azazel was superior because of how dangerous his was. Azazel is even more cunning than Cao Cao afterall. With that said, Azazel still got stomp by Cao Cao in vol. 11.

No he was talking about Azazel's strength

Hahahaha, that’s true. But isn’t that Sensei super strong? I think I’m still slightly inferior, Oppai Dragon.”

He beat Azazel with the added power of medusa's eyes which surprised Azazel.

[TommyG]

Didn't Issei block all of Rias' attacks with dragon shot? His weakest magic attack was enough to stop her attacks Iirc so I doubt she was exactly threatening to him.

[Jedsada]

@Hakai most fighters will dodge or block enemies' attacks as a standard practice. Strada, despite his strength, still avoid a direct hit from the enemies if possible. In fact, Issei's success in dodging and blocking all Rias's attack with a minimum effort, is a major prove that the he had an advantage during the fight. So far, It has never been stated that Issei had trouble in dodging or blocking and ended up taking hits.

[Hakai]

Originally Posted by TommyG

Didn't Issei block all of Rias' attacks with dragon shot? His weakest magic attack was enough to stop her attacks Iirc so I doubt she was exactly threatening to him.

He said he'll take a lot of damage if he got hit by her POD

Originally Posted by Jedsada

@Hakai most fighters will dodge or block enemies' attacks as a standard practice. Strada, despite his strength, still avoid a direct hit from the enemies if possible. In fact, Issei's success in dodging and blocking all Rias's attack with a minimum effort, is a major prove that the he had an advantage during the fight. So far, It has never been stated that Issei had trouble in dodging or blocking and ended up taking hits.

Never said he didn't have advantage. But she was a worthy opponent not completely one sided like Thanatos(who most of you consider God-class).

[TommyG]

But issei could block it with his weakest attack, her ability pod made her threatening but her power level made her easy to block.

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by Hakai

No he had to counter or dodge every attack from her and had to be very careful about the time stop. She definitely gave him a lot of trouble it wasn't one sided like Thanatos


OK still doesn't make her Maou-class in one on one due to the charging weakness


EJO wasn't stated to be God-class either clearly. Only power output. Also being above Maou-class doesn't necessarily mean being being below God-class. If someone's stated to be above high class devil that doesn't mean they are definitely below ultimate


Cao Cao never actually saw a full power Super Devil yet.
That's not the point, he's only called Super Devil after going DxD L which increases aura massively


Again the hax excuse lol.
The likes of Thanatos can't do shit to that armour but Rias can yet that "doesn't mean anything"
Countering his attack and physically threatening him is completely different.

Akeno could counter Grendel's attack with her own even in V14

Nah all she did was counter his spammable attacks. Freezing Fenrir's time is more impressive


Still does not mean he could win fighting indirectly. Head on fight required him to focus his stamina on increasing the spear's power he can't do both


No he was talking about Azazel's strength

He beat Azazel with the added power of medusa's eyes which surprised Azazel.

The only attacks he countered was her POD attacks which all it took was just dragon shots. What did he needed to avoid was her time stop and that was simple since all he needed was to stay out of her line of sight. She had troublesome abilities but Issei wasn't struggling against her. You keep bringing up Thanatos but Issei beat Rias in less time than he did against Thanatos.

But you're using POD as a factor which is the point. Rias can damage beings stronger than her because of potency of POD.

No, EJOD is stated to be God class in general. EJOD increases all of Vali's stats not just his power output.

Being above Maou class don't automatically put you at God class because there is a huge gap between God class and Maou class. This is why Gods were considered the highest class in power besides the Dragon gods. Someone above Maou class can put up a fight against a God but that doesn't mean they are in the same level overall.

How do you know Cao Cao never saw a Super Devil? Considering he knew about their existence, how can you say he never saw one?

Rias has POD. If she had regular demonic blast then her attacks couldn't damage his armor.

The power difference between Akeno and Grendel is nowhere near as massive as the power difference between Typhon and Roygun. Also Grendel's greatest strength was his defense not offense.

Countering attacks that had the power to defeat gods. Rias could barely hold Fenrir for no more than a few seconds.

Sairaorg fights in a similar way as Issei and we saw how Cao Cao was dominating Issei.

Are you sure?

[Lucidrago]

Originally Posted by bashkim1234

Why do you guys think Ise will beat Dielhauser ? I mean if Dielhauser worthless can make every abiltiy worthless . Ise would not been even able to use his BxB or the abilties of boosted gear. Base Ise fighting a maou class devil ,this to much for Ise.

Because Ishibumi will make Issei the underdog and we all know how Ishibumi loves having Issei win with him being in a pinch.

@Blazor Has Cao Cao met either Sirzechs, Ajuka, or Rizevim before then? But then again Ishibumi does have certain characters saying things that shouldn't even know like the strength of opponents. Like Apophis and Azi Dahaka saying that Rizevim is not as strong as Sirzechs and Ajuka despite never having met or fought the two of them. Not the first time Ishibumi has done someth Ing like that.

But Cao Cao did say that Vali's strength in EJOD was that of a Super Devil.

Rias' and Fenrir's match was largely offscreen so unless you know what went on in that gap then I don't think you can comment on it.

[Blazor 98]

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Because Ishibumi will make Issei the underdog and we all know how Ishibumi loves having Issei win with him being in a pinch.

@Blazor Has Cao Cao met either Sirzechs, Ajuka, or Rizevim before then? But then again Ishibumi does have certain characters saying things that shouldn't even know like the strength of opponents. Like Apophis and Azi Dahaka saying that Rizevim is not as strong as Sirzechs and Ajuka despite never having met or fought the two of them. Not the first time Ishibumi has done someth Ing like that.

But Cao Cao did say that Vali's strength in EJOD was that of a Super Devil.

Rias' and Fenrir's match was largely offscreen so unless you know what went on in that gap then I don't think you can comment on it.

Rias vs Fenrir was mostly off screen but we know enough based on their abilities and how the fight started off. We know Fenrir has nothing to counter Balor Rias abilities because all he has is his physical strength, fangs and endurance.

[kiiro94]

Originally Posted by bashkim1234

Ise and Vali have Master their forms CxC and EJG. They need to make the base forms at least satan class and those forms will reached heavenly dragon class.

They have not fully master it, I mean, it still has more potential. For example, Vali could use BxB for a month if he wanted. If Issei manages to use CxC for a month, then consider it mastered.

And you are right, they have to be very strong for those forms reach HD class.

Originally Posted by vietthai96

oh most of the time Issei and Vali training to maintain their new form better, i don't see they training to increase their base power. The only one who have visible base form power increase is Issei, but not much from training, but from something like his evil piece mutated, he got new body with GR and Ophis power. Vali base have been the same for long.

Well, them training using their BxB, EJOD, DxD L, CxC or any form they have is training and it will improve all their stats, in fact, if they train DxD or a form that puts pressure on them this will significantly improve their stats, be it their base form or other forms.

For example, once Issei used DxD, all his stats improved to the point he could hold True Queen much longer as if it was his BxB.

Originally Posted by bashkim1234

Vali was high class devil and now he is Ultimate class devil. Ise was a low class devil in his base ,as now he is high class devil in his base. It would take a long time,but there will be improvement . Ise has unlock all of Ddragi's abilties like Vali has unlock Albion's abilties.

He was not even a High Class devil, Rias is a high class devil and Vali was far from that level. He was Ultimate Class tier since the beginning.

And as for Issei, yeah he is High Class but I dont see his demonic energy at that level still IMO. Overall he is on that tier, of course, not the strongest.

Originally Posted by Parry999

All maou descendants appear to be ultimate-class though. Since Ophis snakes made them maou-class and Diodora wasn't even ultimate-class with one. Then there is the Zero maou descendants who all seemed more impressive then main story one's. Vali's devil side hasn't been as impressive as its hyped.

Yeah, they are Ultimate Class tier by heritage. Of course they werent since the beginning, just as Rias is now High class and has potential to be Ultimate Class with no training.

Talking about Vali, at short age he is already Ultimate Class tier lol, of course he is impressive. He at volume 7 already had enough demonic energy to use Juggernaut Drive on his own talent and demonic energy.

Unlike Issei, Vali does not have the flesh of Great Red or the infinity power of Ophis, he just has her blessing to unlock his full potential and that is Super Devil tier.

So yeah, he is impressive, he is just like 19 years and is Ultimate Class, just as Rias could reach that tier when she grows up, Vali can be Super Devil tier when he grows up. DxD L is just a short cut.

Originally Posted by Emperor of D.

Base Cao Cao could fight Azazel in Fafnir armor. He fought BTB Sairaorg. I don't think Balor Rias is too strong. It's true that a single hit would floor Cao Cao but he's an expect with fighting people with greater raw power. The dude fought Issei and Cao Cao. He did admit his own inferiority to EJOD Vali but I don't see Balor Rias at EJOD Vali level. Also if Cao Cao use Truth Idea than its a wrap.

Balor Rias might be as strong as EJOD, but Vali is a better fighter. That is all IMO.

Originally Posted by syzorst

Rias was holding onto Issei which is why she could move. Also this was before Gasper's sacred gear became a Longinus.

You are misinterpreting it. Rias shinned her 3rd eye in order to freeze Issei in time stop but he escaped before he got caught. Continue reading the spoiler.

EJOD is God class. He's stronger than Balor Rias.

Before they fought Cao Cao stated he would only use the BxB to increase his power output but not his hax abilities like he used against Issei in vol. 12. Cao Cao was just using his natural fighting skills against Sairaorg with the added power output from his spear.

Balor Rias is also God Class, being above Maou's already puts you at God Class.

Originally Posted by syzorst

You're missing the point. You're making it seem like Balor Rias time stop is stronger current Gasper's himself. I'm talking about current Gasper.

Balor Rias didn't put up much of a fight against Psuedo DxD. The fight didn't last long and Issei took her out quickly.

Vali EJOD power was stated to reach God class. Rias could damage Issei's armor because she has the potent hax of POD but that don't make her God class. Could you say her POD attacks can match the power of Issei's Infinity Blaster or Vali's Compression Divider, which are actually God class attacks? Cao Cao even stated that Vali in EJOD could be Super Devil.

If Sairaorg couldn't beat Cao Cao who was just using basic combat, what makes you think he could stand up to Cao Cao using his hax abilities?

The fact that Azazel fought using his Fafnir armor proves he was serious.

You are comparing attacks of characters from the top 10 beings in the world to say she isnt God Class? Lol, it is like saying that Issei is not god class since he does not have the power of Great Red or Trihexa.

Rias has God Class power already, she could hold her self against 80% fenrir which is still God Class and only lost due stamina.

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

The only attacks he countered was her POD attacks which all it took was just dragon shots. What did he needed to avoid was her time stop and that was simple since all he needed was to stay out of her line of sight. She had troublesome abilities but Issei wasn't struggling against her. You keep bringing up Thanatos but Issei beat Rias in less time than he did against Thanatos.

But you're using POD as a factor which is the point. Rias can damage beings stronger than her because of potency of POD.

No, EJOD is stated to be God class in general. EJOD increases all of Vali's stats not just his power output.

Being above Maou class don't automatically put you at God class because there is a huge gap between God class and Maou class. This is why Gods were considered the highest class in power besides the Dragon gods. Someone above Maou class can put up a fight against a God but that doesn't mean they are in the same level overall.

How do you know Cao Cao never saw a Super Devil? Considering he knew about their existence, how can you say he never saw one?

Rias has POD. If she had regular demonic blast then her attacks couldn't damage his armor.

The power difference between Akeno and Grendel is nowhere near as massive as the power difference between Typhon and Roygun. Also Grendel's greatest strength was his defense not offense.

Countering attacks that had the power to defeat gods. Rias could barely hold Fenrir for no more than a few seconds.

Sairaorg fights in a similar way as Issei and we saw how Cao Cao was dominating Issei.

Are you sure?

Huge gap between God Class and Maou? Stated where or base on what?

Comparing them with the top 10 of course, but there is weaker gods or normal gods that Rias would be able to defeat.

I mean, Longinus are stated to equal gods already and all the fight of the tournament are gods, maous and longinus and Rias has fought them and not have been raped.

Originally Posted by Lucidrago

Because Ishibumi will make Issei the underdog and we all know how Ishibumi loves having Issei win with him being in a pinch.

@Blazor Has Cao Cao met either Sirzechs, Ajuka, or Rizevim before then? But then again Ishibumi does have certain characters saying things that shouldn't even know like the strength of opponents. Like Apophis and Azi Dahaka saying that Rizevim is not as strong as Sirzechs and Ajuka despite never having met or fought the two of them. Not the first time Ishibumi has done someth Ing like that.

But Cao Cao did say that Vali's strength in EJOD was that of a Super Devil.

Rias' and Fenrir's match was largely offscreen so unless you know what went on in that gap then I don't think you can comment on it.

Apophis and Azi never said that, or did they? Where did they say it?

[fan]

@Kiiro94 Rias loses stamina and demonic energy in her Balor form

the drain on stamina and demonic energy

[Parry999]

True Lucifer doesn't mean Vali's has demonic power on par with his grandfather combined with Ejod. Because Risevim acted like a clown and not a lucifer. He could just have his base boosted from ultimate to Satan Class.
Vali usually just shoots a generic laser. Well other Maou descendants can shape shift into monsters, control water and Flys like Shalba. He really needs an actual Lucifer ability.

[Blazor 98]

@Kiiro94 Balor Rias is able to fight gods but overall she is still not at their level but close. Even if you count normal gods like Artemis or Loki, I can see Balor Rias having a higher chance of losing to them. Not saying Balor Rias have zero percent chance of winning but the odds are not in her favor. A regular God is strong enough to take on at least Maou class + additional people. Vali and Issei had trouble against Loki. Artemis was strong enough to fight Grayfia and Asia+ Fafnir. Note that Artemis and Loki are not top 10 class or even chief gods. The only God class people that Balor Rias fought was Fenrir and Issei and she lost to both of them. Granted they are not normal God class but just making a point.

Rias did well against Fenrir mainly because of compatability. Power wise, endurance, durability, stamina and speed wise, Balor Rias was well below 80% Fenrir. Anyone weaker can put up a good fight against someone stronger if they have a compatibility advantage. Would you say Kiba is God class because of his fight against Issei due to him being a technique type and having Gram?

[kiiro94]

Originally Posted by fan

@Kiiro94 Rias loses stamina and demonic energy in her Balor form

the drain on stamina and demonic energy

Yeah I know, why the comment?

Originally Posted by Parry999

True Lucifer doesn't mean Vali's has demonic power on par with his grandfather combined with Ejod. Because Risevim acted like a clown and not a lucifer. He could just have his base boosted from ultimate to Satan Class.
Vali usually just shoots a generic laser. Well other Maou descendants can shape shift into monsters, control water and Flys like Shalba. He really needs an actual Lucifer ability.

Yeah, currently he does not have demonic power or physical strength on par with his Rizevim, but he has the potential as Ophis did not give him power, just her blessing.

And yeah, Lucifer's dont have an ability, but they are just strong. Like Dragons, Albion and Ddraig has abilities and Crom doesnt yet is on par or even stronger than them with basic abilities.

Originally Posted by Blazor 98

@Kiiro94 Balor Rias is able to fight gods but overall she is still not at their level but close. Even if you count normal gods like Artemis or Loki, I can see Balor Rias having a higher chance of losing to them. Not saying Balor Rias have zero percent chance of winning but the odds are not in her favor. A regular God is strong enough to take on at least Maou class + additional people. Vali and Issei had trouble against Loki. Artemis was strong enough to fight Grayfia and Asia+ Fafnir. Note that Artemis and Loki are not top 10 class or even chief gods. The only God class people that Balor Rias fought was Fenrir and Issei and she lost to both of them. Granted they are not normal God class but just making a point.

Rias did well against Fenrir mainly because of compatability. Power wise, endurance, durability, stamina and speed wise, Balor Rias was well below 80% Fenrir. Anyone weaker can put up a good fight against someone stronger if they have a compatibility advantage. Would you say Kiba is God class because of his fight against Issei due to him being a technique type and having Gram?

Do you think Pseudo DxD is God tier?

I mean, Thanatos said it will be outlasted by Satan and God tiers. The same with Rias, but unlike Pseudo DxD, it does not last 10 seconds on volume 24.

I dont see Rias being as strong as a top 10 being, she is not just hyped to be above Satan Class, she is hyped to be far above them. IMO she is God Class and due her PoD and Darkness, she can overwhelm them.

I mean, she already could destroy Grendel with her Extinguish Star, add to her level a Longinus power which is already classified to rival Gods, then absolutely is God Class.

[fan]

@kiiro94 i just wanted to say it . and Rias has to find a way to fix that form or it will damage her