The Genderbending of Haruhi Suzumiya [Spoilers Aplenty]

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

My ass they don't. They probably control the Japanese government. I'm pretty sure they have access to high-tech devices.

Except high tech energy weapons like you're describing simply don't exist yet. The most advanced weaponized laser weapon that just got unveiled is decades behind what you're suggesting. The smallest one of it's modules still weigh's like 400 pounds.

If we saw something like that loose in the Haruhi world, it'd be a sign that either Haruhi or those future folk were fucking around.


But really. Would the organization feel like the "terrestrial" faction if they started pulling out ray guns?

[DJ_RockmanX]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Why I used the term serious. If it was serious he couldn't hide it.

He may have already become the mask.

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Except this would look really silly.

I'm with Kaisos on visual plausibility, though not to extreme degrees. It's not like the series hasn't broken it before, but they extent to which it's been broken isn't utterly ridiculous at least.

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Mori was not on it. We'd have to compare her to other characters whose height we do know. I've got this handy screenshot though.


Mori's roughly half a head taller than yuki/Mikuru in this image, but we have to account for the fact that she's wearing roughly 1 inch heels, so that would make her somewhat taller.

Seems to be of slightly shorter than average height then. Whatever constitutes as that anyway.

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

...and I totally did not just post that for Mori's stockings.

Of course not.

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Mori's skirt is poofy enough that she could probably fit something significantly larger than a derringer up there. She'd probably have a regular handgun with a reload....this is an advantage over miniskirts.

Mori(M) would probably just keep his concealed under his coat. Shotguns are just to bulky.

Quick, someone do a cross section of maid and butler attire.

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

If we assume the Mori's have some kind of special forces backgrounds, a wide range of weapons specialization would make sense. Even regular infantry are expected to be at least somewhat familiar with squad weapons that they ussually don't use in case that guy normally using is turned into a casualty. Special forces typically are even more extreme in that regard.

And different guns will be appropriate for different circumstances.

Spoiler for guns:

Handguns
-Good for security work due to conceivability and ease to quickly get to.

Assault Rifles
-What you bassically want to have in a major firefight due to extra range/firepower.

SMG's/Carbines/Shotguns
-What you want if you're going into room to room fighting.

Rifles
-What you want if you're gonna snipe someone

The agents probably all have handguns, but probably keep larger weapons in their vehicles.

More and more I see them as maid/butler models in CS.

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

The organization does not have access to high tech devices.

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

My ass they don't. They probably control the Japanese government. I'm pretty sure they have access to high-tech devices.

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Realism strikes.....

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

... you think they stopped with Japan?

Originally Posted by Joe4evr

That would explain why the Japanese have all the cool stuff...

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Except high tech energy weapons like you're describing simply don't exist yet. The most advanced weaponized laser weapon that just got unveiled is decades behind what you're suggesting. The smallest one of it's modules still weigh's like 400 pounds.

If we saw something like that loose in the Haruhi world, it'd be a sign that either Haruhi or those future folk were fucking around.


But really. Would the organization feel like the "terrestrial" faction if they started pulling out ray guns?

I REALLY want to know the full extent of the Organization's influence.

Anyway, futuristic weaponry belongs to Mikuru/Mitsuru and their group from the future, not to mention the possibility of Fujiwara's faction as well. Let them handle the beam cannons. The Organization can just have top of the line gear from the present day time period, with seemingly endless resources supplied by mysterious backers.

[wittyusername]

Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

Quick, someone do a cross section of maid and butler attire.

A cross section? Like, to see how many guns could possibly be crammed under the skirt of a maid outfit?

I feel compelled to crappily doodle that.

[DJ_RockmanX]

Originally Posted by wittyusername

A cross section? Like, to see how many guns could possibly be crammed under the skirt of a maid outfit?

I feel compelled to crappily doodle that.

You will have instantly earned the title of most productive newbie if you come up with said doodles.

[wittyusername]

I'm already starting on it...but I haven't drawn anything in about a million and a half years, so it is absolutely guaranteed to be crap.

[Sute443]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

My ass they don't. They probably control the Japanese government. I'm pretty sure they have access to high-tech devices.

Consider what we we've seen of the Organization's capabilities:

~10 espers, provided free of cost by Haruhi
4 other direct employees
Student Council President + the funds to rig the election
2 or 3 cars (including 1 taxi and 1 police cruiser, I may be forgetting one)
Private island

None of this leads me to believe that the Organization is anywhere close to controlling the Japanese government. All of this could be done with just the backing of Tsuruya's family. They don't even have to own the island; it may have just been borrowed from an associate of her family.

Really, imagine that you're a member of the Diet, and somebody comes up to you telling you that a schoolgirl has the power to warp reality. They tell you that they can prove it if you come with them. Do you go? Most politicians wouldn't be willing to waste their time on insane ramblings like that.

All the talk about how big their influence is could just be Koizumi trying to make his faction sound more valuable to Kyon.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

He may have already become the mask.

Or maybe the mask became him.

Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

I'm with Kaisos on visual plausibility, though not to extreme degrees. It's not like the series hasn't broken it before, but they extent to which it's been broken isn't utterly ridiculous at least.

Maybe.

Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

Seems to be of slightly shorter than average height then. Whatever constitutes as that anyway.

The heights can be wonky sometimes. We got Mori(F) in heels standing adjacent to Haruhi at the same height (roughly 158 centimeters) but then being half a head taller than Mikuru. Which doesn't make sense if Mori in heels is only 6 cm taller than Mikuru.

Though I suppose we could just go with her being a little shorter than average.

Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

Of course not.

Yeah...absolutely.

Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

Quick, someone do a cross section of maid and butler attire.

...that is a totally good idea absolutely unrelated to any hypothetical stockings fetish I do not have.

Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

I REALLY want to know the full extent of the Organization's influence.

Anyway, futuristic weaponry belongs to Mikuru/Mitsuru and their group from the future, not to mention the possibility of Fujiwara's faction as well. Let them handle the beam cannons. The Organization can just have top of the line gear from the present day time period, with seemingly endless resources supplied by mysterious backers.

I can't imagine it being minor given that they have pretty well trained operatives on standby 24/7 and can bring out mansions in remote exotic places for Haruhi's personal amusement.

Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

Anyway, futuristic weaponry belongs to Mikuru/Mitsuru and their group from the future, not to mention the possibility of Fujiwara's faction as well. Let them handle the beam cannons. The Organization can just have top of the line gear from the present day time period, with seemingly endless resources supplied by mysterious backers.

Agreed...though both the time travel agencies are probably somewhat averse to randomly vaporizing people from the past in a fire fight.

Originally Posted by Sute443

*snip*

Well the Tsuruya family may not control the Japanese government, but given their immense wealth (my understanding is that you've got to be Scrooge McDuck rich to own mansions in Japan) it's not entirely unbelievable that they have connections in the government. It's plausible they can influence things behind the door.

The thing with the Haruhi though, is that she isn't really a problem they can solve with a huge amount of resources. So if the agency did have that kind of overwhelming resources, you'd never see it in play with Haruhi because it's a much more low level problem.

[Sute443]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Well the Tsuruya family may not control the Japanese government, but given their immense wealth (my understanding is that you've got to be Scrooge McDuck rich to own mansions in Japan) it's not entirely unbelievable that they have connections in the government. It's plausible they can influence things behind the door.

True. It would be surprising if they didn't have some sort of government influence, but I really think it's much more limited than the impression we're given.

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

The thing with the Haruhi though, is that she isn't really a problem they can solve with a huge amount of resources. So if the agency did have that kind of overwhelming resources, you'd never see it in play with Haruhi because it's a much more low level problem.

However, when Mikuru was kidnapped in Volume 7, how many operatives did we see go to get her back? Four. Only two of whom looked like they were definitely assigned to deal deal with the issue. And unless I'm misremembering, they suspected that something was going to happen with Mikuru. You don't send a mere four agents to retrieve a valuable asset if you control the entire government.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Sute443

True. It would be surprising if they didn't have some sort of government influence, but I really think it's much more limited than the impression we're given

Agreed. It's implausible that they control the entire government.

Originally Posted by Sute443

However, when Mikuru was kidnapped in Volume 7, how many operatives did we see go to get her back? Four. Only two of whom looked like they were definitely assigned to deal deal with the issue. And unless I'm misremembering, they suspected that something was going to happen with Mikuru. You don't send a mere four agents to retrieve a valuable asset if you control the entire government.

It's not that extreme if you assume the people they sent were Grade S killing machines

Though a smaller team does make sense if you want to keep things low key and you're pretty sure that the opposition isn't going to start a massive fire fight in the city streets.

[wittyusername]

I finished the maid cross section doodle.

Spoiler:

It's rough looking, and pretty crappy, but it's a doodle. Don't expect much from doodles. (Or, at least, from /my/ doodles.) Also, the caption-things are there mostly because without them, you might think she had rubber ducks or something under her skirt.

[dragon4dudes]

regardless, it is still pretty nice, prolly better than what I would have made seeing as I can't draw. though, it does seem that the guns are not in proportion to the body.

Random question, and I mean random, how many of you have said "irregardless" in place of "regardless"?

[wittyusername]

Originally Posted by dragon4dudes

though, it does seem that the guns are not in proportion to the body.

I completely forgot about making the guns (and well, everything, really) proportionate. Maybe they're magical, shape-and-size-changing guns? It could work...

[unmoldedtruck]

We interrupt your regularly scheduled Seitenkan to bring you this important announcement.

This page has a crapload of bluechessium.

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[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by beanbrew

We interrupt your regularly scheduled Seitenkan to bring you this important announcement.

This page has a crapload of bluechessium.

Thank you. You may now return to your regularly scheduled Seitenkan.

Bluechess or BlueCHEESE?

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Bluechess or BlueCHEESE?

Bluechess. I'd normally make a joke about depressed pawns, but I'm not in a funny mood for some reason.

[Ithekro]

Long time, but still valid....


So. Many. Uses.

[dragon4dudes]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

I just noticed, the first frame of the animation kinda looks like a Yuki in pain or something... with brown hair... lol.

and yay for off-topicness

[Nanao-kun]

I just realized I have yet to do anything constructive besides support Beanbag-san.

Anyway, these ideas are all coming along nicely.

[DJ_RockmanX]

Originally Posted by wittyusername

I finished the maid cross section doodle.

Spoiler:

It's rough looking, and pretty crappy, but it's a doodle. Don't expect much from doodles. (Or, at least, from /my/ doodles.) Also, the caption-things are there mostly because without them, you might think she had rubber ducks or something under her skirt.

Hail to the most productive newbie. For rough sketches you are now my go-to guy. Er, girl, since that's what you declare in your profile.

Get the newbie some cookies people.

Originally Posted by beanbrew

We interrupt your regularly scheduled Seitenkan to bring you this important announcement.

This page has a crapload of bluechessium.

Thank you. You may now return to your regularly scheduled Seitenkan.

I still miss the massive amounts of backlog we used to generate.

[wittyusername]

Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

For rough sketches you are now my go-to guy. Er, girl, since that's what you declare in your profile.

*feels special*