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View Poll Results: Danganronpa 3: Future Arc - Episode 3 Rating
Perfect 10 1 11.11%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 2 22.22%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 3 33.33%
7 out of 10 : Good 1 11.11%
6 out of 10 : Average 1 11.11%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 11.11%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
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Old 2016-07-25, 09:27   Link #1
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Old 2016-07-25, 09:33   Link #2
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Well well, Kodaka wanted to troll even more it seems.

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Old 2016-07-25, 11:19   Link #3
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Actually no, this episode confirms even further that the opening is a huge red herring.

Also, Kyosuke doesn't want people to rely on "idealistic hope" to defeat despair. Kyosuke's creed is rather on the "ends justify the means" as in: no matter how many sacrifices they will have, as long despair is vainquished, that's fine.

They have the same goal (defeat despair), but their ideals and means are totally different.
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Old 2016-07-25, 11:26   Link #5
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I see, so one is idealist and one is extremist.

But isn't Naegi here in the right? He wants to change people and give them hope again. Kyosuke wants to simple kill everyone and hope that he will kill of despair with that.

Of course, this depends on what are your views on life but in this matter to me Naegi is winner in the long run. Kyousuke's tactic can only work when he is last standing human on the planet, and even then he will have to kill himself because he will kill himself after realizing that he is all alone. Naegi can fall into despair and fight it - returning to hope.
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Both have issues with their logic:

Makoto: He wishes to change people with hope, even if the said persons are embodiement of despair themselves. The problem is that if the person refuses to change, more casualties will happen on the long run.
Considering the monokuma hunter game, bringing hope to FF members won't change the fact there is a traitor on the loose.

Kyosuke: By exterminating despair whenever he can, he will cause a number of sacrifices that could have been prevented. His extreme view guarantees the eradication of despair on the very long run, but a huge number of innocent will die as result. Considering the monokuma hunter game, his logic will work, but it wouldn't be surprising if there would be only 1-2 survivors at most as result
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I see, so one is idealist and one is extremist.

But isn't Naegi here in the right? He wants to change people and give them hope again. Kyosuke wants to simple kill everyone and hope that he will kill of despair with that.

Of course, this depends on what are your views on life but in this matter to me Naegi is winner in the long run. Kyousuke's tactic can only work when he is last standing human on the planet, and even then he will have to kill himself because he will kill himself after realizing that he is all alone. Naegi can fall into despair and fight it - returning to hope.
This has been my problem with this character from the start. The writers seem hell bent on making him look like a buffoon with every line he utters, but yet it feels as if he's supposed to be something besides that. They've already managed to kill one of their own through their own arrogance and their completely lack of interest in the nature of this scenario, but that's not an issue to them because somehow Makoto Naegi is the greatest threat the world has ever seen because reasons. It's as if him and his colleague are completely blind to the irony of the situation, which is that they through their ideologies and actions are creating and fostering as much despair as any Remnant of Despair ever could.

I suspect it's intentional, but it annoys me nonetheless. Clearly he's supposed to be an intelligent person, but he's anything but.
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Old 2016-07-25, 11:37   Link #8
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Let's say Kyosuke is an very extreme kind of pragmatic person.
It is the usual stuff with people saying nations can't solve their issues with just talk: if actions aren't taken, the situation won't change whatsoever. In a way, we can compare Makoto and Kyousuke with a pacifist and a belligerent for a nation on the verge of war.

While Kyosuke is very extreme and is bound to make as much damage as the SHSL despair themselves, there is a notable difference: he believes his means will yield result, which is not surprising because eradicating the source of despair will affect the world they are in.
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Old 2016-07-25, 12:20   Link #9
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Well the show sure played me for a fool. Aoi was actually alive the whole time and Gozu was the one who actually got killed. Question is though is why the attacker would do a bait'n switch like that. Maybe they just wanted to fuck around with Makoto?

And yikes, Seiko literally went full monster on Ruruka this episode. Whatever happened between them in the past must've been something quite severe. (BTW I'm guessing that's a more potent version of the same drug Teruteru used on Akane in the Despair arc.)

Also, good to see Yasuhiro is still around. He's the only one who doesn't have a bracelet on so that'll give him some degree of freedom to help the others, though he is stuck outside with a patrolling helicopter.

Honestly I'm starting to really suspect Chisa as the one using Monokuma as well. She was formerly good friends with Kyousuke and probably is very familiar with what he wants. Perhaps she could be using that to pit him and Makoto against each other in hopes of getting Makoto killed in some sort of revenge for defeating Junko? The only thing that goes against that theory is that there's no clear answer to how she might've faked her death.
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Old 2016-07-25, 12:25   Link #10
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Me, at the start of the episode: Why her?!

Me, after a few seconds: ?!?

I feel that glass buddy is trying to make our MC feel despair. He might have stopped his sword right before hitting him. I mean, you can't kill the MC on episode 3 :P
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Old 2016-07-25, 12:29   Link #11
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Not going to lie, I'm sad that Gozu died.

Glad to see Asahina survived though.
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Old 2016-07-25, 12:30   Link #12
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Ep.3

Phew, I'm glad Asahina is still alive. I finally feel some hope.

So, unless they get teleported, look like they are in the same building but the inside got changed (Monokuma's picture in the room and Monokuma's monitors in the hallway). That helicopter is still flying around? The real culprit is in there? Remote control?

I wonder if Yasuhiro see anything like, did someone go inside the building? did someone come out? after the attack.
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I wouldn't call Makoto a pacifist, as he'd simply prefer to put himself in potential danger rather than someone else so he can explore the peaceful means he believes in, and entrust his comrades to make the right call. Kyosuke seems to be opposite and would willingly hurt people by virtue of his lack of faith as well as pursue lethal means even when unnecessary (speaks volumes to his lack of respect for life); remember, he was the one that petitioned for Makoto's execution. so yeah his murderous tendencies aren't limited to this context.
The world today is pretty much founded on the idea that mutual faith; which is what makes this whole dystopya so easy to believe in; with hopes peak academy betraying the faith people placed in it after building itself up as a magnificent hope for the world and it's future potential. Kyosuke appeared to have seen in Naegi what he saw in hopes peak and he wants to cut the bud before it plants more despair. i'd like to believe they were actually on good terms before Naegi went rogue.

But I still think any leader should have more faith in his people like naegi does, kyosuke seems very short sighted in that regard.

I'd compare the dichotomy between those two with the semi-final trial in DR1. Makoto would sacrifice himself for Kirigiri because he believed in her, which in hindsight could have been a bad choice if Kirigiri truly was the killer of that trial. where as Kyosuke would have Kirigiri executed due to his doubts, not caring wether she was truly innocent or not. as sure; doubting kirigiri would be reasonable, it just doesn't make it right. This distrust he has is most likely an application of the HPA executives taking advantage of his faith in the school and is most likely what he means by Naegi "not knowing true despair". i.e. his faith in the executives caused him to fail his duties and lose faith in all hope building prospects. Comparitively we have Maizono betraying Makoto; but with Makoto believing in her attempts to save him. if we switch the places of those two; Naegi would still believe in the beliefs that founded the school while Kyosuke would probably loose all faith in Maizono and turn into Sasuke 2.0

it's less Makoto isn't taking action but is instead trusting others to make the right choice for him, where as Kyosuke doesn't seem to believe in any of his comrades and would rather kill them all rather than put himself in any harm. Kyosuke is taking the objectively apathetic path to me at least, it's a logical path but still a pretty cold one. a better comparision would be the decision at the end of another episode.
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whew
Asahina is safe.

and WOW at the size of her Asahinas.....
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She's safe for now, but wow @ her forbidden action. I'm really worried about that now, really something that could easily be triggered.
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I wouldn't call Makoto a pacifist, as he'd simply prefer to put himself in potential danger rather than someone else so he can explore the peaceful means he believes in, and entrust his comrades to make the right call. Kyosuke seems to be opposite and would willingly hurt people by virtue of his lack of faith as well as pursue lethal means even when unnecessary (speaks volumes to his lack of respect for life); remember, he was the one that petitioned for Makoto's execution. so yeah his murderous tendencies aren't limited to this context.
That's why I compared him and Kyosuke in such manner. I don't see how it is conflicting with what you just said. Makoto and Kyosuke has the same objective, but with dramatically opposed means and ideals.
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The world today is pretty much founded on the idea that mutual faith; which is what makes this whole dystopya so easy to believe in; with hopes peak academy betraying the faith people placed in it after building itself up as a magnificent hope for the world and it's future potential. Kyosuke appeared to have seen in Naegi what he saw in hopes peak and he wants to cut the bud before it plants more despair. i'd like to believe they were actually on good terms before Naegi went rogue.
Kibougamine academy secret agenda has nothing to do with the huge disorder the world is currently in.

Also no, Kyousuke doesn't even tie Makoto with the academy image. Rather, the concept of hope itself is completely backwards to him: eradicating despair is what hope is for him, whereas Makoto believe that hope is the one mean to defeat despair.
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I'd compare the dichotomy between those two with the semi-final trial in DR1. Makoto would sacrifice himself for Kirigiri because he believed in her, which in hindsight could have been a bad choice if Kirigiri truly was the killer of that trial. where as Kyosuke would have Kirigiri executed due to his doubts, not caring wether she was truly innocent or not. as sure; doubting kirigiri would be reasonable, it just doesn't make it right.
It is very doubtful because unlike in this situation, there is no "try again" if the guess is wrong. Kyousuke wouldn't make such a calm and swift decision if he was in the same class as Makoto. The context is way too different.
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This distrust he has is most likely an application of the HPA executives taking advantage of his faith in the school and is most likely what he means by Naegi "not knowing true despair". i.e. his faith in the executives caused him to fail his duties and lose faith in all hope building prospects.
Kyousuke is actually confronting Makoto's despair experience with his. As in: despair in the world was a complete chaos not bound by any rules. In contrast with DR1 where Monokuma didn't lift a fingers on the students outside of the rules, Kyousuke had it "rougher" because the SHLS despair showed no mercy and killed millions of people without being bound by rules whatsoever.

Again, it has nothing to do with the school.
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it's less Makoto isn't taking action but is instead trusting others to make the right choice for him, where as Kyosuke doesn't seem to believe in any of his comrades and would rather kill them all rather than put himself in any harm. Kyosuke is taking the objectively apathetic path to me at least, it's a logical path but still a pretty cold one. a better comparision would be the decision at the end of another episode.
It isn't even an issue of trust, but rather a matter of objective. Kyousuke has firm belief that the extermination of despair is true hope, whereas Makoto believes Hope is required for a future.
None of them rely or don't want to rely on allies.
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Told you they'd pull a false corpse at least once... It was different from what I expected though
That being said - you think Asahina has it bad?
The Monomimi girl has it even worse not being allowed to turn right - thats something she could do just out of habit.
Asahina would at least try to avoid the punch (cause its natural to do) but turning left 3 times instead of going right just once is really bad.
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I wouldn't trust Miaya's claim just yet. Unlike other participants NG actions thus far, Miaya's bracelet wasn't shown even once.
If anything, it is possible she pretends not being able to turn to the right to take advantage of others (that doesn't mean she has to be the attacker, but gaining information this way is a logical course of action).
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Asahina is safe.

and WOW at the size of her Asahinas.....

She's safe for now, but wow @ her forbidden action. I'm really worried about that now, really something that could easily be triggered.
You may say that he is protected by plot armor.
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I wouldn't trust Miaya's claim just yet. Unlike other participants NG actions thus far, Miaya's bracelet wasn't shown even once.
If anything, it is possible she pretends not being able to turn to the right to take advantage of others (that doesn't mean she has to be the attacker, but gaining information this way is a logical course of action).
True.
Especially considering how Monomi has the same voice as Monokuma.
Its certainly advantegous to lie regarding those actions - especially when there were just 3 other people in that room with her and one ended up dead.


The culprit pretty much took out Naegi's shield now.
The question is which one of the characters could have actually pulled that sorg of crime off considering how heavy the guy was. - I'd say not too many.

Meanwhile there is still no chracter who seems to be bothered by the state of the building. And while we do know that Mr Crystal ball is still outside thinking they'll be fine the building's interior still looks far too banged up compared to its exterior.
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