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2009-12-09, 08:35 | Link #4342 | |
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I doubt you could jus find it by looking around |
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2009-12-09, 09:41 | Link #4343 | |
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Or if she did not know about it, so everything went along... --------------------------------------------------- What I meant was that from the dialogue between Battler and Beatrice, Battler proposed someone bringing some unknown corpse to fake his or her death, so why was it strange or problematic that Beatrice just rebuked that blue text in that meaning? |
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2009-12-09, 10:16 | Link #4344 | |
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2009-12-09, 13:45 | Link #4345 | ||
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She dosed them, then they went all the way over to the chapel, had a chat with Beatrice, and had alcohol and, then keeled over. Is this a serious theory, or do I really need to point out the massive holes in this? Quote:
I mean, I could construct an argument that space lizards are the culprit, and if you responded with Absolutely no factors other than humans participate on this game board, I could just say that since Eva Beatrice was talking about an orangutan before hand, other animals could work. Clearly ridiculous, and yet that's what you're pulling. |
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2009-12-09, 14:26 | Link #4346 | |
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2009-12-09, 21:21 | Link #4347 |
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Huh.... speculation here but ---
If the gold the main motif to kill? I'm assuming it could be other reasons. Isn't the Ushiromiya family the only family to know about this epitaph, including the servants? This would also boost up the There are no more than 17 humans on this island!!. But then, humans are considered to be furniture also right?? I'm always wondering why they're called Furniture, and not servants. Hidden meaning in Kanji or whatnot? Anywho, 17 humans, but can there be anything else? It could've been animals who killed Battler at the end. He DID get torn apart. |
2009-12-10, 02:08 | Link #4349 |
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You can post theories here provided you don't mention anything from Ep5. And since Ep4 pretty much encompasses all the mysteries of previous episodes you can post theories about those as well.
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2009-12-10, 02:27 | Link #4350 | |
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About "furniture" (家具), the word "かぐ" (kagu) could also mean "to smell", the kanji "具" (gu) could mean "tool", "means" or "ingredients" and the kanji "家" (ie) could mean "house" or "family". Maybe "furniture" can be interpreted as "means/tools of the (Ushiromiya) family". I don't know if this means anything... Maybe I'm thinking too much. ^^' |
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2009-12-10, 02:29 | Link #4351 |
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In EP4, when Beato first talks to Battler on the phone, she says something like: "Although we've slapped each other with abuse and fought many times before, this is the first time we've actually talked to each other on the game board." Then, before she confronts him over his sin, she starts talking about a bunch of things that sound like they require meta knowledge:
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2009-12-10, 02:40 | Link #4353 | |
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2009-12-10, 02:54 | Link #4354 |
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I found Shannon more suspicious. As I've said in the other thread, Kanon's body disappears quite often after death, but yet it is still stated in red that he is dead. It's possible for Kanon to disguise his body as hers, then hop down to the subway hidden underneath Rokkenjima and escape.
... Fact remains that there's a folder in the arc.nsa file called "subway". And in that folder, there were background pictures of the room of gold, and the room Bern and Lambda were in in the Ep4 ??? Tea party. |
2009-12-10, 03:04 | Link #4355 |
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Subway there stands for "underground passage", and it is a fact that under that folder you see images of the underground shown in the great escape of Kyrie's group in Ep4
Ryukishi's knowledge of english isn't perfect and there's no need to make many speculations about it, especially considering that Battler's portrait folder is named "BUT" instead of "BAT".
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2009-12-10, 04:50 | Link #4356 |
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That makes me wonder - I played the game twice, but I might've missed something - In EP2, Beatrice gave Rosa a letter and Maria one as well. Maria's one had the chapel's key. But it wasn't mentioned what was in Rosa's letter. And the letter about solving the epitaph and collecting interest was in the chapel with the 6 dead bodies. So what about Rosa's letter?
I guess I have to play again. Must've forgotten lots of things. |
2009-12-10, 05:35 | Link #4357 | |
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2009-12-10, 07:46 | Link #4358 |
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I see no reason to think that Rosa's letter was read at dinner. The cousins were sent to the guesthouse because the adults had started arguing about Skirt!Beatrice and it looked like it might get ugly. No letter is mentioned at all during the scene even though it seems like it would be exactly the sort of information they would be looking for. Rosa instead suggests that they ask Genji about it and the cousins leave just as he arrives.
The next day a letter matching the one read in the first arc is found at the scene of the first twilight. I would have to reread the scene but I don't think it was said whether or not it was still sealed. We are lead to assume that this is the letter that Rosa received earlier, but that is just an assumption. In fact, how do we even know that Rosa had a letter in the first place? We know Maria did because she bragged about it (and later pitched a fit over the same), but all the scenes about Rosa's letter take place outside of battler's perspective. It seems unlikely that Maria mentioned it to anyone because then they would have been asking Rosa about it when the whole Skirt!Beatrice thing came up at dinner. Yet no one did. The last time we hear about the letter is when Rosa tries to open it but Maria stops her, so it's not like Maria doesn't know about it. And yet...she never mentioned it to anyone? I'm missing something here I just know it. |
2009-12-10, 08:58 | Link #4359 | |
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In Eva's case, the context was no other organism or sentient objects were involved in the murders otherthan humans. In EP1 2nd twilight, the context was Battler propsed someone did use a fake face-crushed body to fake his or her death, so he or she can murder Eva and Hideyoshi. Beatrice did not oppose to it. In Ep1 6-8th twilight, he initially said someone who used a fake body to fake death from 1st twilight killed the threes, then he suggested it could be the case that the one of the threes (or two or all) actually did not die but had used an alternative corpse to fake their death. Beatrice then used the red texts to guarantee the three's identity and said there was no alternative corpses at all, referring to Battler's this line of thought. That's how I viewed it. |
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So if they were dosed by these sleeping pills, how did they get to the chapel without it affecting them, and then how were they capable of talking and drinking alcohol? Quote:
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And do you really think that in the name of context, we're allowed to just alter the red truth to whatever we think it says, particularly since I cannot believe a Beatrice who wants Battler to solve the mystery would throw in massive red herrings that would throw him completely off track? I'll go ahead and restate what I argue about the red -any red truth stated by Beatrice and Lambadelta can be accepted to be absolutely true, without word tricks! This means that if Beatrice claims "Nanjo is dead", it means that the Nanjo who lives on Rokkenjima and is Kinzo's friend is dead, not some stupid tricks like a Nanjo in Africa is dead. And if Beatrice claims no body doubles, then there are no body doubles. |
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