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Perfect 10 | 13 | 17.81% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 26 | 35.62% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 17 | 23.29% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 10 | 13.70% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 5.48% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 2.74% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.37% | |
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2009-12-06, 13:14 | Link #61 | ||||
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"I hated myself because i had no abilities" and "Does being Level Zero mean that your defective?" basically mean the same thing - she was different from most people around her because she didn't have an ability and thus the iferiority complex thing we saw up until episode 9. I do believe that everyone has something they want and others have but few people actually get depressed by it especially when you have nice friends that stay around and care a lot about you despite the fact that you think you're inferior to them as a human being which isn't really the case IMO since ability doens't mean everything to a person or at least it shouldn't. "And I couldn't stop myself from admiring those who had them" well this could be for a number of reason that support both points of view. Admiration can be caused by many things and in this case I think back to episode one whe Saten said "amazing" when she saw Misaka's power which again can mean both things. First it can mean amazing as in it's so cool to have an ability and second amazing as in "it's amazing how she can help people in danger" (well at that moment she blasted a car 20m into the air but the general idea was that she did it to protect someone). I believe a person can hate himself for a lot of things even if they're childish. That of course doen't really mean theyr'e right. In general there are people who think too much of themselves and people who think too little of themselves. Saten fall in the second group. Take Uiharu for example - se's a level one that has alway been a level one. From everything we know about her it seems she really tires her best in everything she does which probably means she doens't have the potentila to develop it any furthrer. On top of that she's working in Judjment wherre she's surrouned by even more people with powerfull abilities than Saten so in a sense she should feel the same way Saten does. To tis day we have no idea what her ability is and we've never seen her using it which mean that with just hard work she became a great person that can help others even she is techically powerless to do anything when bad guys are involved. We gat this paralel between the two charater whcih both are in a similar postion yet one of them is determined to work hard and do what she can and the other is doing something selfish and dangerous. Quote:
Not saying drugs are safe....you all know that right? It's dangerous to use drugs^^ Yet you're saying that because you actually know the outcome. They don't. When someone who is doing just fine goes into a come it's by no means harmless and in fact seem very dangerous and eve scary. For all the know the victims might never wake up or even worse die after a few days. For a viewer than knows everything including how it will all edn something miht not feel like a big deal but in fact for a character that has no idea what the future holds there is only "now" and the immediate consequences of their actions. Last edited by Joe_fh; 2009-12-06 at 13:44. |
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Sure, it's possible that the boost in power resulted in a boost in confidence, which in turn made people more aggressive. So? If you're relatively law abiding in the first place, is a bit more confidence going to turn you into a criminal? Quote:
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Wierd how you got that idea after all the things I said. Quote:
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Of course as viewers we already know it depends what kind of preson used it and most of them did nothing bad. That again dosn't change the fact that Saten had no idea about this. Quote:
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So givng drugs with unkwon side effects to your firends is normal? Seriously? Quote:
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Most probably yes. There were no evidence of people using the LU and not commiting crimes. The only people that were known to have used the LU were violent people that commited crimes. So basically with the knowledge the characters have it seems to be the logical conclusion Quote:
The question here is if I met you on the street (you've never seem me before in your life) gave you a pill and said "use it and you'll become really smart" would you actually take it? So you would consider the above example understandable an take the pill? Nope she knows what she was told by a person that works in the equivalent of the AC police - that people who use the LU have a tendency to commit crime and it has unkown side effects. Thus proving the point that people who use the LU commit crimes. No one knew about the ones that weren't spotted until they went into a coma. |
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2009-12-06, 15:36 | Link #65 |
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wow, lots of discussion for this episode huh? anywho, powerful moment in the middle of this ep. The montage of Kuroko taking down bad guys was pretty great too. then the warp of Uiharu onto Misaka's head. haha.
next ep, finally, more Misaka action!
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2009-12-06, 15:43 | Link #66 |
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There's too much going on now for me to give a point-to-point rebuttal for every argument here, so I'll just give my own spiel, starting with the most obvious thing:
1. Saten is a middle school girl! She's just a kid. People are talking about taking responsibility and ignoring childish dreams as though she is an independent adult. She's not. 2. Level Uppers aren't the same as crack cocaine or whatever other drug. It's not a illicit substance widely known to the public for long periods of time. It's not banned by the government. It has a purpose to improve something; it's not just for getting high. Saten heard them say that they're not sure because they're investigating, but it may have side affects and be related to crime. Again, from everything we've seen, the crime connection is certainly more likely correlation, not causation. Delinquents can get new powers and think they can go on crime sprees with it, as far as can be interpreted from the evidence at hand. Even if it does have side effects, every single medicine used for treatment has side effects, as serious as "increased risk for heart attack and stroke." Sure, it's underground and unknown. But to a young girl, lacking power in her world surrounded by those who do, whether it is for an altruistic purpose (I want to help others) or not (I wish I had cool powers), and Saten seems to be a little of both, certainly using this doesn't make her a monster. 3. The idea that it is somehow evil to involve friends in something that you are scared to alone is just ludicrous. People do things in groups constantly to overcome fears in all sorts of things; this doesn't create an inherent truth that if you are too scared to do it by yourself, it's something that is wrong. Her friends have minds of their own, too. They also know about Level Uppers and want to use them. Saten has overheard there may be side effects. We don't know if she says anything or not to the friends, but even if she doesn't, are all of them so naive as to think that an item that can increase psychic powers is as safe as eating candy? I doubt it. Basically, it boils down to this: She's a young girl, who makes the choice to use an unknown substance that may increase powers and may have side effects, and she does it with her willing friends. A hint of immorality for seeking a "shortcut" to powers? Maybe. Some naivety for thinking that this will solve her problems without creating others? Probably. Some irresponsibility for using an unregulated substance, and doing it with friends? Definitely. But the incredibly offensive language I see describing her is simply ridiculous. "Cold-blooded." "Criminal." "Bitch." "Deserves what she got." Give me a break. People aren't perfect and some people here need to get off their high horses. Whatever she may be, Saten isn't a monster.
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2009-12-06, 16:02 | Link #68 |
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You gotta feel for Saten... It's not just about having cool powers, being an ability user in Academy City is everything. It means you will go to a better school, live in better place, wear the best clothes and so on. It's your social standing. And the opposite is also true, being a normal person in a city full of incredible people who all have access to the things you can only dream of can be really disheartening. She knew the Level Upper was a crapshot, but a crapshot was still 1000 times better than what she had, which was and would always be 0 no mater how hard she tried.
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2009-12-06, 16:33 | Link #69 |
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Didn't have time to read all the long posts so far (will read them later), but I want to say these things about Saten:
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2009-12-06, 16:50 | Link #70 | ||||
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Again Kuroko said it pretty clearly for Saten to understand what she meant. And I covered the ohter point just a while ago. The medicines you're talking about usually are used only in cases where the health of the person using them is in real danger thus side effects are acceptable since the pros are a lot mroe that the cons in such a case. Pluse mdeicines are tested and official so you actually know everything about them before you use them giving you the chance to wigh over the pros and cons of using them. Quote:
About her friends being naive it might be true but they are getting the LU from a friend which probably makes them feel safer. That's also commont since you're not getting it form some ranodm stranger but from a firend tat you've known for quite some time. That's not an excuse as well but we are talking about Staen right now since she got them involved in the first place. I also think that if she said it was under investigation by Judjement and it could potentionally turn them into criminals they wouln't have used it. However we have no info about that Quote:
Criminal was used in "criminal negligence" to ilustrate that not knowing you're doing something bad doesn't mean it's an excuse that you din't something bad. It served as an example. "Bitch" was used in a quote from another froum so it's in no way connected ot us since no one here used something as extreme as that and I don't believe someone would in the first place. I used "deserves what she got" because she really did. You can't do something like this and expect it to have no consequences for you. That's how a 5 year old that thinks the world would accept everything he does acts. I believe sending your firends into a coma when they were copletely ok just the other day because of negligence and selfishnes is by no means ok. No one said it makes her a monster - I'm saying I can't feel sympathy for her in this situation and that her actions were neither smart nor justifiable. That's actually the point of all this. I could feel for her before she used the LU but not after. Uiharu still remains the best example of what Saten could have done instead of going down the spiral of self pitty. Well it all depends on the people that use the LU in the end. The LU probably leads to the user commiting crimes was said by Kuroko since most people used the LU and Judjemnt knew about commited various crimes. That was before people starte going into a coma all over the place which proved that the LU doesn't lead to commiting crimes. Either way only we knew that until reecntly and Saten nknew only what Kuroko told her which was that "there's a tendecy that people who use it commit cirmes easlly". |
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2009-12-06, 17:23 | Link #72 |
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To support what many have said, LU is very similar to some experimental medication. Many people participate in trials for medications with some unknown side effects. The purpose, perhaps, can be to alleviate bothersome but not life threatening conditions, such as diarrhea or incontinence. A parallel can be drawn that like these patients, she lacked something the majourity of people around her have.
To place this in another context, perhaps it will be helpful to imagine that Saten has mental retardation (IQ<70). There is an experimental therapy that may increase IQ up to >70, thus lifting her above mental retardation as defined by DSM IV. The therapy may have extraneous side effects. (Parselus argued correctedly a long long time ago that all medications are toxins depending on dose and absorption.) I am throwing out random thought situations that may or may not help people see the situation from another angle. However, like all moral and ethical arguement, many of the angles are correct, so perhaps there is no definite answer as to whether what Satan did was moral or ethical (any one up to researching ethical calculus? We don't need to be on Alpha Centuri to do this! :P) |
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Of course no one is perfect yet I believe many normal people wouldn't have done what Saten did if they were reasonable. This was the reason why I said what she did was stupid since it was unreasonable. Quote:
Side effect don't mean something is bad. Unkwon side effects also don't mean something is bad -it means there might be really dangerous and bad side effects or something really harmless since you can't know what they actually are. Legal medicine always has know side effects so you can consider if you're going to use it or not. In fact even most side effects of drugs are known these days. And cancer medicine is an experimental medicine with indeed unkonw side effects but it's your only option if you want to live so wahtever the side effects dying is much worse. Quote:
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I wonder how I made her look like a monster but oh well. I can't really help it if you're seing it that way even if I don't mean it. Sorry Anh_Minh I'll go through your point later cause i don't have time right now. I'll edit this post when I do^^ Quote:
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2009-12-06, 20:33 | Link #78 |
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Anti-skills are useless IMHO. Judgment should have been THE crime-fighting organization in Academy City. They make SWAT look humiliating, especially when
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Lol, we're filling this up with discussions of Ruiko-chan, but the Character Discussion Thread needs some <3 too.
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2009-12-06, 22:00 | Link #79 | |||
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My basis on Saten not studying is that we see her going around town all the time,not paying attention in class, not understanding the topics they are discussing in school and the fact that she's depressed and lacks self confidence. You can't work hard if don't have the motivation to work hard and she doens't have it. What's your basis on saying she studies hard? I agree using Uiharu as example didn't do anything. Then again how does Saten being a child justifies her actions? You also have to consider she's living on her own so she should be at least a bit more mature and reasonable. No doesn't quite cut it you know. [QUOTE=Ansalem;2805839] Kuroko is talking about how they don't really know but that there may be some side effects. They are discussing unknown facts and rumors. And even if they are judgments discussing it, nothing they say would make a reasonable person think everyone using this will fall into a coma. So my point stands. Now you seem to be using knowledge of future events for your argument. It doesn't have to be a coma at all. Why are you bringin this up. Even if it was smoething really harmless in the end she would have still done something wrong that was potentialy very dangerous. Doing something like this and saying "it all worked out in the end" doesn't change the thing you did even one bit and if it was a wrong thing to do it still remains a wrong thing to do no matter the outcome. A reasonable person wouldn't go for something he has no idea about. Quote:
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I'll finish by again mentioning that I don't think Saten is a saint. What she did was certainly a mistake. But she certainly is a sympathetic character.
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