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Not that their success is limited from adapting works. Madoka showed that they can do original work but that style with witches and battles is imo the weakest link for the franchise as part of a visual medium. Being an anime original product makes me hesitant to call the show a success until it ends: a fair number of other studios have made anime originals with interesting concepts before. Most turned out good all the way until the ending. How they handle Madoka's ending is imo the true test of what kind of studio SHAFT is. Afterall, in this industry it isn't a rare talent to be able to throw a lot of stuff together to make something interesting. The real difficult part is to wrap the story up in a logical and satisfying manner. (Satisfying manner: does not refer to people getting their preferred shipping ending but to the fact that introduced concepts that got me hooked in the beginning are shown as integral to the story. Not something they introduced to get me hooked only to completely forget/drop midway in the show)
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2011-04-14, 20:00 | Link #62 |
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I've enjoyed their work on Negima!? It was far far better work than the other Negima series. It was so crappy; I do not even remember the name of that studio.
But yea, when I watched Bakemonogatari, their style does require extra attention. Otherwise, y'might as well watch the series will trippy or something like that.
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2011-04-14, 20:12 | Link #63 |
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Let me put it this way... I love SHAFT because of all the things they do wrong, release schedule, unorthodox frames, walls of text, etc. It is refreshing to see something so unconventional break into mainstream studios production and finding imitators
A tad bit more seriously, they did some pretty good adaptions (story-wise), and added visuals that enhanced the story rather than degrade it. |
2011-04-14, 20:22 | Link #64 | |
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The only shows that I'm aware of that I've seen by Shaft, or rather, directed by Shinbo, were Hidamari Sketch and Zetsubou-sensei. Thing is, the Zetsubou-sensei manga alone screams "only Shaft/Shinbo can capture my craziness," and that they do.
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I've still yet to watch Madoka, but now that I've heard that the liberties they take in quality are marketing gimmicks, maybe I'll just wait for the DVD/Blu Ray releases. It's not like they're going to make us wait an entire year for it to properly finish, right? Right?!
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2011-04-15, 00:29 | Link #66 | |
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It wasn't their fault originally for Bakemonogatari, since they decided on 15 episodes after they already reserved the 12 episode slots and the channel refused to change, which then made it their fault by taking forever on the last three episode . /On topic: I've only seen Madoka and Bakemonogatari from Shaft both of which have been series I've enjoyed.... wait *looks up list of series by shaft*, Shaft made that series?, I can't believe one of the first animes I remember enjoying when it aired on T.V. many years ago was by Shaft and I didn't realize it until now . Then again remembering how random of show it was it kind of makes sense that Shaft made it... It was Kyattou Ninden Teyandee, or it's english title "Samurai Pizza Cats" . Actually looking more it seems it have been their first series actually.
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The really fascinating thing about Madoka is how successful it ended up turning out. Quote:
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2011-04-15, 04:52 | Link #69 | |
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2011-04-15, 05:22 | Link #70 | |
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This is a fairly dark what-if scenario though, I doubt that Madoka will have an ending anywhere as disappointing as Mai Hime.
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2011-04-15, 11:21 | Link #71 | |
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2011-04-15, 11:45 | Link #72 |
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I have three shows that ultimately put SHAFT the best studio for me. Arakawa, Bakemonogatari and currently airing Madoka. I swear ever since Bakemonogatari was made, SHAFT started appealing to me more and more. I even thought the "oops we didn't finish making an episode on time" to be cool. I didn't like the waiting though.
I'm just keeping my fingers crossed they don't screw up the ending of Madoka.
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2011-11-08, 01:47 | Link #73 |
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SHAFT has Nisemonogatari coming out in January.
It also just announced this. I wonder... now that SHAFT has two blockbuster A-Tier franchises (XXXXmonogatari and Madoka Magica) to its name, will it choose to trade-in quantity for just focusing on and milking its two big franchises for all they're worth? And if so, is that a good thing or a bad thing? Would love to hear opinions on this from fellow SHAFT fans.
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2011-11-08, 02:14 | Link #75 |
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Shaft's top five.
1. Puella Magi Madoka Magica 2. Bakemonogatari 3. Hidamari Sketch (staple anime for a very long run, and even the characters are staple in Japan Saimoe.) 4. Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei (the anime that salvaged Shaft's Dignity during 2007, after not so impressive 2006 year.) 5. Arakawa Under the Bridge (almost forgot that this is better than Ef Series, since it features all those likable characters and the best voiced by Maaya Sakamoto so far.) Shaft's worst 1. Negima!? (not those recent OVAs with some help from Ken Akamatsu himself.) 2. Natsu no Arashi! I have high hopes for Shaft next year with 2-3 anime movies they would make. No slacking off please. |
2011-11-08, 02:48 | Link #76 |
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SHAFT is one of a kind studio. they have a reputation of bastardizing schedules and yet they still awe its fans. XDD I'm one of those since madoka. xD
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2011-11-08, 07:10 | Link #77 |
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I'm quite sure that Shaft will do anime adaptation for all Monogatari novel. After they've done with three movies of Madoka, they may still do another OVA/spin-off for Madoka. But due to Shaft craziness, I'm sure that we will still see some slice of life/comedy/senseless/absurd series like Hidamari, Denpa Onna, Arakawa or Maria Holic from them. But put Monogatari and Madoka aside, I want to see another season of Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei.
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2011-11-08, 09:16 | Link #78 |
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I'm optimistic about Nisemonogatari. It's based on more source material by the same author, and from what I've seen, it looks awesome. Milking or not, I think there's good reason to believe that it will be at least a good show. I think that's worth trading in a few other shows for; or I'm at least willing to take that risk.
Madoka, on the other hand, I'm much more skeptical about. The series was excellent, and I think the way they ended it left little to be desired. I don't know what else they are planning to do with the movie, and I'll give it the benefit of the doubt, but this *feels* more like milking. Madoka already has three manga series, a game coming out, and a novelization. They might do something great with the movie, but I'm less sure about how happy I am with trading in a couple of "standard" Shaft shows for it. All in all, though, the more success Shaft has, the higher the chances are of them continuing to produce shows in the style that I've loved for so long. I don't want that to go away, even if I have to endure a dozen recap movies to keep them afloat.
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2011-11-08, 12:50 | Link #79 | |
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I am however very apprehensive about the upcoming Madoka films. The show was pretty much standalone with an above average conclusion for what one would expect out of Urobuchi () and pretty good pacing aside from the clearly rushed episode 10 yet they now decide to make not one but three separate movies for what feels like a completed work. Yes, it does feel pretty much like milking the series. Strangely I would be fine with recap movies since that would be pretty standard milking of a popular franchise but the mention of a brand new story gets me really apprehensive about what's coming. If it's something simple like an expanded episode 10 then I would be OK with it but I most definitely suspect it'll probably mess with the established canon so far and as a fan of the work I can't help but be on my toes for a possible "bastardization" for the sake of money making. But let's wait and see. If it means Shaft will get more money to produce the kind of shows I've enjoyed out of them then it's at least understandable. Heck, we may even get something good out of this.
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This might change the way you think about new madoka movie. ------ The real problem of Shaft is not budget. It is just scheduling crisis SHAFT has as a whole since release of Tsukiyomi. Just remember that Madoka Magica is a project that has started three years ago, and only reason they couldn't get on working was due to Shaft's schedule.
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