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2011-08-24, 20:55 | Link #122 |
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I've been in Anime since ~2006, and back then there was a large contingent of people saying Anime was clearly getting worse, and it's just not waht it used to be, and now in 2011, 2006 is widely considered a "peak year".
I'd have to agree with whoever said that those who "grow out of" anime were likely only interested in only one particular genre (EG Shonen) in the first place. Myself I had 2 entirely seperate phases of Anime fandom. I had the fandom of my childhood-teen years, where I was into Pokemon, Digimon etc. but I generally dismissed Anime otherwise. Around 2006 I first stumbled across Anime on Youtube (watched the entirety of Ouran Host Club, and then Suzumiya Haruhi in the space of a week), and so here I am now, after watching so many Anime I no longer can count them. I'd say the crowd who come in through Naruto/Bleach/DBZ tend to be the most likely to leave, while I came in through a more diverse route. I wouldn't really describe myself as Anime fan anymore though, I'm more of an "Animation fan", given Japan has the largest Animation industry it's natural I gravitate to it... But I definitely prefer the stuff that doesn't emphasise traditional Anime clichés. The reason I stay in Anime is that I think animation has more creative possibilities then any other filmed medium, as it seperates you from the boundaries of the physically possible, it allows for a more stylized representation of events that is perhaps truer to human thought. Animation truly allows the creator to unshackle their imagination from real world constraints. And that's why I'll never grow out of it. |
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A more reliable method would be simply to take the creative people in your favorite anime, and see what else they've worked on. Or just check out the works of the masters: Miyazaki, Ishiguro, Takahata, Dezaki, Tezuka. Outside of the Ghibli films, these guys' works are pretty much ignored by the fandom. Quote:
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2011-08-24, 21:33 | Link #124 |
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I second Hikaru no Go. Some other great sports anime are Touch (and the more recent Cross Game) as well Hajime no Ippo. I'm not a baseball fan and that didn't stop me from enjoying Touch, and I like boxing somewhat but that's not what makes Hajime no Ippo fun.
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2011-08-24, 21:46 | Link #125 | |
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2011-08-24, 22:02 | Link #126 | |||
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Not so much, as Anime is very similiar to Manga, so I'm consuming Anime because I'm interested in what Anime/Manga offer, though if I've read the manga I usually skip on the Anime. I'm not a huge Manga reader though. Generally I prefer Anime to Manga. Something like Masterpiece theatre is offering an experience more similiar to a western literary novel, which I already have plenty of access to, in likely "superior" forms. I can see that stuff all the time. I want to see what Anime/Manga can offer my uniquelly.
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Also, I find that MAL(and ANN more so) gives greater visibility to lesser known shows, so you can argue it the other way. It's not a straight popularity contest, as the quality shows don't get utterly overtaken by the popular but lackluster ones. For instance, Naruto only scores 7.68 and Bleach 7.85, which are pretty low in MAL terms. Dragon Ball Z gets a pretty high 8.22, alas. Quote:
The list has a heavy positive bias, and generally you will find plenty of shows high up the list that probably don't belong there. However, on the flip side, really great shows are almost never low down on the list. So if you use the list correctly, you can find great shows while cutting out most of the mediocre and terrible shows, lowering the amounts of bad Anime you need to wade through. Generally, when trawling for new Anime, I watch Anime that score above a certain threshold, and I set this threshold at the 10% level, IE the top 10% of Anime score above that number. The actual number is unimportant (due to Anime lists running on a 4 point scale...), it's how the anime scores relative to other anime. If in addition to that you filter out genres you know you won't probably like (though I'd always try a show that is outside your comfort zone every so often), you have a very concrete approach for finding new Anime to watch with minimum amounts of effort required. Makes it super efficient. And it takes a very long time to exhaust the top 10% of MAL. Quote:
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2011-08-24, 23:36 | Link #127 | ||
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It seems like you are putting way too much weight on very slight differences in score. Ocean Waves is all the way down on page 17 of that list with a 7.22. Page 2 goes down to a score of 8. So from page 2 to 17 there is only a drop of .78. That is a .05 drop per page in an unscientific internet poll. Looking at just the first couple pages is totally arbitrary. The scores go until page 49, so you would put Ocean Waves in the 65th percentile. I can guarantee you are missing tons of great anime using that method. Even some of the most highly acclaimed anime of the 90s (Serial Experiments Lain, Crest of the Stars, Kare Kano, Jin-Roh, Master Keaton, Nadesico, Only Yesterday,...) didn't make the top 2 pages there. If you haven't already, I would suggest to keep going down the list, starting with Berserk, and then research the shows you missed on page 2, and then keep going because the score changes are so small it doesn't make sense to put a cut off there. Quote:
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2011-08-25, 09:32 | Link #128 | ||||
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The simple fact is, there's a lot of Anime, and I don't have the time to try it all. I want to minimize the amount of time I spend on things that are no good at all. By my estimate, if you just randomly picked Anime, you'd have a 1/20-1/10 chance of watching something you enjoy. Using my approach that goes up to 3/4 or so, and declines as you go down the list. I like those odds. And you watch most of the great anime fairly quickly. That's not to say MAL or ANN are the ultimate arbitrators on whether an Anime is good or not. They aren't, and I never would pretend they are. I would consider it more of a probabilistic measure of your likelihood to enjoy anything on it. However you should also take genres into account. Some genres have artificially high ratings, and others artificially low. However if you take the genre aside and look purely how it compares to others of it's type, you get something more valuable. I don't think there's a particularly better way to get at the wheat while avoiding the "chaff". And it gives me the benefit of seeing things I'd never see if I only followed particular creators I liked, or what other people are saying. It's not perfect, but I haven't seen a better system suggested by anyone else... |
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2011-08-25, 10:35 | Link #129 | |
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Likewise, I'm more of an "animation fan" than an anime fan specifically. I've always loved animation. As a kid, I loved 80s saturday morning cartoons. In my teens, I enjoyed shows like Gargoyles, Sailor Moon, Batman: TAS, and DBZ (so as you can see, anime was only part of it). However, Disney more or less gave up on 2D animation at some point, and DC's animated TV shows eventually came to an end, which has seriously limited western animation, imo. Unlike western animation, anime goes to all sorts of places with animated stories: A full range of genres and tones from the very dark to the inspirational to the very realistic to the stunningly surreal to the action-packed to the slice of life. Western animation simply doesn't do this any more, to the best of my knowledge, so anime is now where its at, for me.
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2011-08-25, 11:28 | Link #130 |
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I got into anime around 2006 with a variety of shows, half of them representing where the industry would go in the years after, and the other half showcasing where it's been before that point. My tastes were solidified before 08, so I never really noticed what type of content has been consistently produced until I look back it on now. I assume then, that no matter where the industry goes it'll be impossible for it to move past me.
Or so I'd like to think.
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2011-08-26, 21:59 | Link #131 |
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I think "over saturation" is a good way to put it. Think of TV. Would you just watch absolutely anything put in front of you? If you did you'd be apt to think TV was all garbage. Ok, I haven't watched TV myself in years because I really do think it's garbage but even I have to admit that every now and then there's a god TV series (for watching on DVD).
There's a lot of the same stuff regurgitated, but there's usually a gem or two that comes to the surface. It's possible you might be tired of anime in general, but perhaps you just need to be pointed to the kinds of titles you like so you don't have to put up with the other junk. Older stuff really does offer some cool titles, and few of us have ever really gotten all the way through that catalog. |
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2013-02-25, 05:01 | Link #134 |
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I used to watch a lot of romantic comedies with ecchi content and I'm a big fan of them, but recently, I'm slightly growing out of it, it's not that I completely stop doing that, I try to limit myself from them, although I still do watch them from time to time varying the seasons.
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2013-02-25, 05:04 | Link #135 | |
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Anime in general I've become more scrutinizing of. There used to be a time where I would almost always finish shows that I picked and even the ones I didn't like I generally watched through. Now I sometimes have to force myself to keep up with anime that I really do like. The other day I had to force myself to watch the two most recent episodes of Psycho-Pass because I knew if I didn't do it then, I might not do it for weeks. To make matters worse, there's just so much crap now. When you've watched a good deal of anime from the 90s to present day, it gets harder and harder to find unique shows among the swathe of uninspired crap. I'm at the point now where if I see a character that resembles anyone in Haruhi, K-On, or Lucky Star, the only way I'll even consider giving it a chance is if the synopsis seriously intrigues me. I almost didn't watch Hyouka for this reason. Psycho-Pass is the first show in a long time that has really made me appreciate anime again. How I feel watching it reminds me of how I feel when Code Geass was airing back in the day, back when I was actually an active poster here on Asuki.
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I think I have to start my H break as well.... Yeah, like one action ecchi ninja anime currently running... I was so excited at first but the boobs are always in the way of the action... its like every scene has boobs and panties in it ... even in supposedly a dramatic scene... Pretty turning me off.... |
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2013-02-25, 05:13 | Link #137 |
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While i generally dont too excited about anime as i was in younger days, but i still grateful that there are still anime veterans keeps producing good title.
And of course, i still watched those "template" anime just to enjoy the voice of my favourite seiyuu... |
2013-02-25, 10:00 | Link #138 |
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Everything is either ecchi, moe or mecha nowadays.
Which is fine....we all like what we like. I don't mind ecchi or moe if I take them into small doses. But you have to look hard to see something that's original and...I'm sorry if this sounds seriously snobbish as it's not the intention...more grown up.
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2013-02-25, 13:04 | Link #139 |
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This claim is patently false if you actually go through the list of shows each season, unless you apply hugely broad brushes and, for example, label everything as moe based on character design alone and eliminate all shows targeted at kids and families. Even then, it's still objectively false.
I'm not trying to say that it may not feel that way to you... but it isn't actually true. This hasn't ever not been the case. Anime has never been particularly "original" or "grown up". The only difference is that, nowadays, you have access to the full fire hose of content that you have to sort through on your own, whereas things were much more curated in decades past due to the language barrier. Of course, the overall quantity of productions has also gone up now compared to 10+ years ago too, so that increases the triage as well.
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2013-02-25, 15:25 | Link #140 |
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Keep telling yourself that and you'll keep believing it.
How about taking at look at what's airing right now? I don't think I have to name-drop two certain currently running sci-fi anime that are leagues more mature than the majority of anime, new or old. |
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