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View Poll Results: Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA☆ILLYA - Episode 5 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 9 | 37.50% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 7 | 29.17% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 6 | 25.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 1 | 4.17% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 4.17% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2013-08-09, 15:28 | Link #26 |
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Not a bad third option they came up with there. Really it was all they could do in that situation. Lancer couldn't be used, Rider apparently isn't useful on its own, Archer really seemed useless, and Caster was a total gamble. Might not have been bad to give it a try all things considered, but against an enemy like that probably can't afford major blunders.
Was pretty slow paced, but still thought they kept the pressure on. Not surprised Ilya lost her nerve in this one. A completely random encounter, Rin and Luvia taken out, can't damage her with long distance attacks and can't easy guard those slashes. Getting cut suddenly made the danger feel much more real than before. Not bad close combat action from Rin. Expect this is probably the most action she and Luvia are going to get so they might as well have fun going all out here .
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2013-08-09, 16:08 | Link #27 |
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Rin and Luvia show the kids how it's done. They're definitely on a whole other level.
I'm hyped as hell for next week. They better not fuck this up. Edit: oh and the ED card was hilarious. So they are aware they are too many Saber clones, but it doesn't stop them from making more (Sakura Saber was revealed today).
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2013-08-09, 22:05 | Link #28 |
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Not bad, not bad. Kind of an odd place to end the episode, though. Not sure why they didn't go the whole way and just end on the same cliffhanger the manga chapter finished on, since they were already 90% there.
Also mildly disappointed at the lack of blood on Rin and Luvia's wounds. Come folks, this is a Fate series. We can handle some people getting hurt.
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2013-08-10, 11:20 | Link #29 | |
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Nonetheless, there are power levels, experience levels, and battle tactics. That still applies, as it should. Rin totally tanking that direct sword-strike without so much as a scratch was a bit eyebrow raising to me, but I don't have much problem with the rest. At least they're showing Illya and Miyu bleeding a bit (Miyu in a previous episode, Illya in this one). The show has done a good job of making it clear that dying in battle is a very real possibility for our magical girls, hence giving the battles an emotional intensity to match its brilliant explosiveness and flashy combat.
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2013-08-10, 11:35 | Link #30 | |
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2013-08-10, 11:41 | Link #31 | |
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2013-08-10, 12:08 | Link #32 | |
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"Science is an art that goes towards the future, while magic is one that delves in the past"- Tohsaka Rin. But yeah, I love the whole concept of magic in here. It really is like science, but I'd also like to see some sorcery since it's considered a miracle producer of sorts. I'd probably just have to play Mahou Yoru
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2013-08-10, 14:58 | Link #33 | |
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Miyu viewing personal flight as "impossible" while Illya just makes it happen with ease is a beautiful example of such charming magic. That certainly doesn't seem very scientific to me (nor does the way that a certain golden-armored antagonist carries himself in other Fate/Series works ). I don't really see how the magic in this show is like science.
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2013-08-11, 16:16 | Link #34 |
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This has to be one out of many epic, magic-girl episodes.
** Likely, it would be taken as a spoiler if I refer to this Saber incarnation by her name, so I'll call her for the time being as Black Saber. The mana mist was one of a tough babe for our little magic-girls to budge, so what they did? Resort to option three: Handing Ruby and Sapphire back to both Rin and Luvia, respectively, and if only temporarily, to take things to the next level. Watching the girls fighting was cute but more ridiculously cute having Ruby delivering her magical chop on them. As well, Rin's getting older to keep dressing on magical-girl costumes, but please Rin-san don't take your frustration on Ruby. She's only telling the truth! And, here comes again Black Saber roaring and rampaging against her enemies like a mindless beast, but I hope she will fall against Rin and Luvia's superb, magical-girl combo. |
2013-08-12, 14:04 | Link #35 | |
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Even this is a spinoff and the flying was played off as something humorous, there still is a technical description for why Ilya can fly. As Rin stated after their defeat against the Caster card, it takes a very clear image of what flight is like in order to actually fly. Even if it is second nature to Ilya, there is still a specific process behind it - like the distribution of mana - to make it happen. Miyu who couldn't imagine what it's like to fly still developed her own method of "flying" by concentrating mana underneath her feet to create a sort of platform that lets her walk on air. Sapphire specifically mentioned that Miyu's method uses about the same amount of mana as Ilya's flying and that neither is inherently better than the other. Since Ilya's flying isn't inherently more efficient than Miyu's methodical approach to airborne travel, then it implies Ilya is using an equivalent amount of mana to fly that Miyu does to air-hike, even if she is doing it subconsciously. |
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The magic in the Nasuverse on the other hand is limited by many factors: the starting "energy level" of the initiator, the energy required to make what they want to happen, happen, and the pathway/mechanism to make something happen which in turn affects how much energy is needed. That is very similar to a chemical reaction, which depends on the amount of energy already in the system, the process by which the reaction proceeds in order to form the desired product, and the amount of energy needed to get past the activation barrier for the reaction to happen. Gilgamesh lost. Quote:
It's not something that is proportional to willpower alone. If that was the case, then Rin and Luvia should be able to take out the Class cards more easily than Ilya and Miyu, even without the Kaleidosticks. They also should be able to access the mirror world without the sticks. Quote:
The fact of the matter is that even if all Ilya needs to do is "think" to fly, it's because Ruby was created and designed to take care most of the legwork required to make it happen. It's no different from Shirou doing what he did in Heaven's Feel thanks to Archer's arm. Quote:
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In Nasuverse, as in virtually every universe where a lot of combat goes on, some combatants are simply more experienced, powerful, tougher, well-armed, etc... than others. That's not particularly scientific. It should also be noted that the Nasuverse does have its Holy Grail, who's only real limitation seems to lay in the mind of its user. Quote:
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Question: Aside from teleportation, what's the shortest way to get from Point A to Point B? Answer: A straight line. With flight, you can always get to a desired mid-air destination in a straight line, as long as you aim yourself properly. With air walking/leaping, you may often have to take many separate leaps to get there. With air walking/leaping, you're not moving in a straight line.
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And being more powerful and well-armed are physical advantages that can be explained through science, or more specifically through physics. A larger and more bulky person has more mass. Mass is directly proportional to force and momentum. When two forces directly collide, the net force will naturally be closer in direction to the larger component force. The "Holy Grail" as created in Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero are also not perfect wish-granting machines. It's mentioned several times how corrupted it has become. Additionally, it didn't grant Kotomine happiness, Gilgamesh ownership over Saber Quote:
Depends on what principles. There is such a thing as metaphysical principles, which is what Nasu bases his fantasies on. Quote:
My point is that there is a clear set of laws that all Nasuverse magic conforms to. It may be theoretical and completely fabricated by Nasu himself, but everything still conforms to the world that Nasu created, even if that world is not the same as ours. It's no different from a sci-fi. The idea isn't that they're bending reality to their will, but that their reality is defined to be different from ours. Quote:
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2013-08-13, 15:42 | Link #40 |
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I have no intention of arguing the other points (since I think you two are arguing two different definitions of "science"), but I have to question this. Somebody who can fly can generate forward force, hence in the case of resistance can simply attempt to use more force to continue pushing forward. There's nothing special about "footing," other than that it's the ground that's providing the upward force to keep the character standing. In the case of Miyu's aerial platforms, I would think that they would break or fall if subject to too much force, unless Miyu uses extra power to reinforce them, unless you have a source otherwise?
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