(L) Dragon Ball Super

[ninjastarforcex]

all harem and romance manga's authors should watch dragon ball and learn how to actually make good tsundere character like vegeta

[ZGoten]

Originally Posted by LuckyCat

I really liked Vegeta's promise in DBZ was connected to events in Super.

Could you elaborate? Looking back on the major villains Freiza, Cell, and Buu I can't remember a single time they blocked attacks with fingers.

That's just one example. In the case of Frieza it was not showing his true form and constantly reiterating it.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by Obey Pyro

So people don't get confused:

Spoiler for BOG Spoiler?:

Episode 5's translation was a bit off, and it's referencing the fight on King Kai's planet, not the big one during the party.

Damn it, if that's the case that means the pacing is going to be SLOOOW. Probably will be stuck with the BoG events for the entire first cour.

[bigdeath]

You know what this means, there will eventually be a Dragon Ball Super Kai.

[ninjastarforcex]

dragon ball kai purpose is to lure in new young viewers so they can get familiar with dragon ball and can follow SUPER without problem

and for a 100 episodes anime, SUPER animation is so damn good

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Originally Posted by ninjastarforcex

and for a 100 episodes anime, SUPER animation is so damn good

Sadly, compared to Toei's other long-running series like Pretty Cure & the recent Yu-Gi-Oh!-sequels, Super's quality is 'average' to 'barely-good' at best. But thank god it's not as bad as the most recent Digimon TV-series.

[FlareKnight]

I'm still holding out hope that Gohan will at least not suck too much when Beerus makes his move. The odds aren't great, but I can pray for any little moment of glory .

Hilarious ep with Vegeta. Was nice that he actually kept his promise from DBZ and was willing to endure this family outing. Certainly not anywhere near friendly, but at least he didn't kill anyone. If Vegeta wants to keep his #2 status he'll really need to keep up the training. Luckily his only real competition for that spot is Gohan and he almost always gives up that position due to slacking off the physical training.

[HandofFate]

very touching how much vegeta actually cares for his family.

while goku just leaves once again

[Kyero Fox]

After hearing how badly japanese King Kai sounds, I'll smack the next person who says Subs are Better than Dubs for DBZ.

[Wandering Soul]

Well it was a nice episode that showed that Vegeta really does care for his family. It is impressive he held out as long as he did.

[Kyero Fox]

Haha yea, I wonder if he will do the dance when Beerus comes down.

[Vegard Aune]

Originally Posted by Kyero Fox

After hearing how badly japanese King Kai sounds, I'll smack the next person who says Subs are Better than Dubs for DBZ.

Funny, considering how I'd say dub Kaio is one of the worst things about the dub, and it's one of the few things about it that hasn't even slightly improved over time. (Super Hero Goku? All but gone now. Freeza? Was recast and is far better for it. The grossly inaccurate script in general? No longer an issue with Kai and the new movies. The replacement music? No longer an issue.)
...But yeah, he sounds really bad here. Not sure if Yanami was sick or if it's just age (the man's 83, for goodness' sake!) but his performance has been REALLY weak in this show so far. It's honestly to the point where I wonder if it would have been better if they just recast him.

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Originally Posted by Vegard Aune

It's honestly to the point where I wonder if it would have been better if they just recast him.

This might sound blasphemous, but the same thing should be done to Nozawa too. I love her to bits as child-Goku/Gohan/Goten, but hate her with a passion for adult-Goku/Gohan/Goten even back in the 90s.

I'm curious, what do today's Japanese kids and teenagers say about adult-Goku's voice? Do they genuinely like it or they don't really care because that's how adult-Goku always sounds?

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

This might sound blasphemous, but the same thing should be done to Nozawa too. I love her to bits as child-Goku/Gohan/Goten, but hate her with a passion for adult-Goku/Gohan/Goten even back in the 90s.

It sounds blasphemous. Really, this is just the product of the expectation that Goku should sound all manly and shit, but once you're used to it, Nozawa IS Goku. And in a sense it fits much better his childish nature. With Kaio, however, it was actually a pretty bad voice work. It wasn't a matter of the voice not fitting, just that it lacked energy and interpretative quality.

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Originally Posted by Gan_HOPE326

It sounds blasphemous.

Well, a man has his own opinion after all .

Originally Posted by Gan_HOPE326

Really, this is just the product of the expectation that Goku should sound all manly and shit, but once you're used to it, Nozawa IS Goku.

Getting used to something doesn’t mean that something is good. There are people in India who get used to being bitten by Cobras and injected their venom, doesn’t mean being bitten and poisoned by Cobras is a good thing.

Originally Posted by Gan_HOPE326

And in a sense it fits much better his childish nature.

I often see this used as a defense of those who like Nozawa for adult-Goku. But the thing is, adult-Goku doesn’t even sound like a man at all (let alone manly-man, as far as my experience goes). He sounds like my Grandma (which what Nozawa is at this point in her life. A granny). Watching DBZ/GT/Super feels like I’m watching my Nana voicing adult-Goku, which is amusing in itself, but that’s not the kind of entertainment I seek from DB . Heck, even Kenshin’s effeminate voice in Samurai X still sounds more like a man than adult-Goku’s.

Seriously, hearing adult Goku’s voice makes me appreciate the local Indonesian-dub even more. The Indonesion VA at least able to bring the inner child in Goku but can still sound like a man, not a granny. I can’t wait for the Indonesian or English-dub of Super. I bet I’ll enjoy it better. Right now, I'm following Jap-dub of Super just to follow the story.

[Ryuga]

I prefer Schemmel to Nozawa, but I've gotten used to her voice and can't see anyone else voicing Goku in Japanese. Her kid voices are great stuff though.

King Kai's voice sounds like he's on his last legs. I can't remember what his voice was like in earlier years and I'm not sure if that voice is just a part of his character, but I agree it sounds off.

[LuckyCat]

The thing is, Nozawa was specifically cast by Toriyama. He has stated that Nozawa is how Goku should sound in his mind. And even if you don't like her voice, it's hard to deny she has maintained the same energetic character now for decades, as well a wide range in age of others in the Son family.

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Originally Posted by LuckyCat

The thing is, Nozawa was specifically cast by Toriyama. He has stated that Nozawa is how Goku should sound in his mind. And even if you don't like her voice, it's hard to deny she has maintained the same energetic character now for decades, as well a wide range in age of others in the Son family.

AFAIK & IIRC, Toriyama himself handpicked Nozawa and said those compliments when she voiced child-Goku (which I agree was a brilliant casting). But when the story reached the point where Goku has become an adult, Toriyama just go with the flow with the studio’s decision to maintain Nozawa coz they were afraid that they might lose the audience if they recast Nozawa. They don’t want to take the risk and even made her voicing more characters like adult-Gohan/Goten and Bardock (I can feel the casting-lazyness there). They were just playing it safe IMO.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

I often see this used as a defense of those who like Nozawa for adult-Goku. But the thing is, adult-Goku doesn’t even sound like a man at all (let alone manly-man, as far as my experience goes).

Most cartoon characters don't really sound or look like real human beings in many ways. It's part of the stylized nature of anime. Do you find it as annoying that Goku also has hair that makes no sense according to any laws of either gravity or perspective, or that his eyes occupy a way bigger percentage of his face that they ought to? Why is his voice the one detail that has an obligation to be "realistic"? That's my point, mainly. I'm not denying that the voice can sound WEIRD, especially if you're used to the dubs, which mostly make it sound as manly and deep as you'd imagine. But there's no reason why they would have had to recast it if that's exactly how it was intended to be in the first place. Masako Nozawa's voicework is of the same good quality it always has been, and the stylistic decision has been taken a long time ago. And don't forget, the Japanese public usually favours cute over exceedingly manly:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...irbyIsHardcore

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Originally Posted by Gan_HOPE326

Most cartoon characters don't really sound or look like real human beings in many ways. It's part of the stylized nature of anime. Do you find it as annoying that Goku also has hair that makes no sense according to any laws of either gravity or perspective, or that his eyes occupy a way bigger percentage of his face that they ought to? Why is his voice the one detail that has an obligation to be "realistic"? That's my point, mainly.

Then how come Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, and Broly (which came from the same race as Goku) have the luxury of “proper man-voices” but not adult-Goku? They have the similar "weird" hair (maybe not Nappa coz he's bald) and body-type and are all Saiyans.