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All fukuin names are made using the first kanji of the real name of the person and the addition of the kanji of "sound" at the end.
However the way that last kanji is pronounced might vary as it was seen in Ep7. Normally it's "non" as in Sha-non, Ka-non, Ru-non, Re-non, and Ma-non. However we have also seen Beru-ne and Asu-ne. The way the first kanji is pronounced also varies greatly. For example the first kanji of Berune doesn't have "beru" at all as any of its possible readings. Simply the kanji itself means "bell" in english, and "bell" is pronounced "beru" in japanese.
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2010-10-10, 15:52 | Link #17984 |
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Presumably Yasu does indeed have a Fukuin name, but Ryukishi is being a tease by having everyone refer to Yasu by that name, which is alleged to be his/her surname. Since we pointedly never found out Kanon or Shannon's surname, we have no idea whether his/her name is something like "Yasuda Sayo" or "Yasuda Yoshiya" or something entirely different that has nothing to do with either. We also (as far as we know) see Yasu physically, as he/she is a first-person narrator and everything appears to be viewed through his/her eyes during the narrative.
We're very clearly meant to associate Yasu = Shannon = Kanon = Lion, but then we get various periods where one or the other isn't matching up, then suddenly they do. Is Shannon a real person, a person who was a model for a persona adopted by Yasu, an imaginary friend, completely nonexistent? Was Kanon created or adapted or adopted? Is Yasu nuts, creative and broken, or just a devious weaver of fiction? Is any of this true? If it is, how much of it; if it isn't, why the hell is it here? As usual, he's raising more questions that he's answering while pretending like he's giving answers.
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2010-10-10, 16:09 | Link #17985 |
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Yasuda 安田 is a very common Japanese last name. Yasu even said that it was a last name 'given' to her since the real last name was unknown (from her point of view.)
Yasuda is not the Fukuin nickname. Here's the funny part: If you construct a name with the 'Yasu' and add the 'Ne/On' kanji: 安音 the Yasu kanji can be read as 'Yasu' or 'An' (on-yomi.) You could construct the name as "Anon" ... Anonymous? HEH. |
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No, "Yasuda" is a fake surname not a fukuin name. Yasu's fukuin name was never revealed, but of course it makes sense if Yasu's fukuin name has been Shannon to begin with. Since Ryuukishi apparently didn't want to explicitly tell us that Shannon and Yasu are the same person then he couldn't tell which was Yasu's fukuin name.
He also completely avoided to mention which was Yasu's name. And that's probably because the name itself could be a hint of Yasu's identity. If Yasu's fukuin name has been Shannon, as we all suspect, then her "fake" name given to her by Genji must have the initial kanji of Shannon in it. So to make it short she/he was probably known as "Sayo Yasuda" at school and as "Shannon" in the Rokkenjima Mansion (except among the other servants who called her/him Yasu). While her/his real name is "Lion Ushiromiya". @Kylon That's funny, but fukuin names are based on names not on surnames, so that doesn't work. Quote:
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2010-10-10, 16:34 | Link #17987 |
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Too much just doesn't add up, though. For somebody coming into the home stretch, he sure is leaving a bunch of things nobody really seemed to doubt before now up to doubt. It's very unsatisfying if he's just trying to be cute.
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Well it wasn't serious to begin with. But the nickname of 'Yasu' is already enough of a name to suggest that the real name is not known... |
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There's also the bit with Shannon supposedly knowing close to nothing about tea, whilst, apparently, Beatrice does to a good extent. I wonder if Yasu has any knowledge on that topic. I hope we get good info about Yasu in EP8. Seriously, almost everything about him/her is far too cryptic to even call her existence an answer, when it actually does raise many more questions. Hell, we cannot even tell his/her sex apart.
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2010-10-11, 10:26 | Link #17993 |
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Well, we only really know four people have a passion for mystery novels:
However, the absence of evidence doesn't mean nobody else is a fan. Some people clearly aren't as familiar with them as others, but everyone seems to have a degree of genre awareness (notice how quickly people conclude things are locked rooms, etc.).
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2010-10-11, 10:29 | Link #17994 |
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I think Kyrie also seems to like mystery novels as well, but I wonder if that is even relevant to this. I mean, she was the one who said things about romance being more complicated to decipher than mysteries themselves. She also brought up the North Wind and the Sun analogy.
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Incidentally, the only person to raise that objection beside Battler is Rosa.
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2010-10-11, 11:01 | Link #17996 |
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Again, I can accept this, especially if they turn out to be intentional genre constraints of an in-universe fiction. The odder details are which persons are stated to have enjoyed mysteries, as that seems like a detail that would exist independent of the Rokkenjima setting. Either Nanjo liked mysteries or he didn't, or nobody knows and is saying he did in ep5 (but to what end, I don't know).
But the whole Yasu/Battler bonding over mysteries has to some from somewhere. How would you make that up?
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2010-10-11, 11:09 | Link #17997 |
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I assume you give for granted that Shannon=Yasu, because then you should add Shannon to the list. Anyway you forgot Kumasawa which apparently introduced Yasu to the genre and she is even a skilled "detective".
In addition Kinzo himself is said to have had a liking for mystery novels. In fact he was the one who bought those in original language that Nanjo and Erika read in Ep6. Now that I think about it... It was Yasu who was said to have started a liking for mystery novels while Shannon was shown as not really interested. But then suddenly Shannon became a mystery novel expert during her conversations with Battler without any explanation.
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