2012-10-21, 17:17 | Link #123 |
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Don't worry, James. I'm not going to reply to this discussion any further. Especially when looking at Kona's last response on the subject matter, he's beyond any help.
----- What I'm really curious about was Momonosuke's hallucination showing Doflamingo's face in the background.
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2012-10-21, 21:20 | Link #124 | |
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1) Roger is stronger than Rayleigh, just like Luffy is stronger than Zoro. Zoro himself acknowledged Luffy as stronger, and other characters have mentioned that someone with Zoro's personality would not follow a weaker captain. There are clear parallels between Rayleigh and Zoro. Last but not least, Roger as the man who conquered the Grandline and the New World, widely known to be the strongest man in the world in his prime. How can he not have been stronger than Rayleigh? 2) Whitebeard was acknowledged as the strongest man in the world by both Sengoku and Oda himself (you know Oda? he's the guy who writes the manga). If you start questioning even these axiomatic facts, than there is no point in us having a discussion in the first place. 3) Whitebeard was the only man to have fought Roger to a draw. He was able to decimate Akainu in his old age. He may not have been able to beat Sengoku and Garp together, just like how Shiki couldn't, but it is conclusive to say that he would have been able to beat Sengoku/Garp one on one (even if it would have been a close match, like the duel between Akainu and Aokiji).
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2012-10-21, 23:24 | Link #125 | |
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2.Being the WSM doesn't mean you are stronger and can beat all the top tiers. Where has it shown WB beating these so called weaker characters? 3.I don't remember it being said fighting a draw. That's pure speculation on your part thinking WB can beat Sengoku/Garp/Kong one on one. All he has is his hype and "WSM" title. |
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2012-10-21, 23:50 | Link #126 |
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Roger was The King of the Pirates for a reason. Rayeligh was his 1st mate and his subordinate. That's all the proof you need to show that Roger was stronger than the Dark King.
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I don't dispute that White Beard title has the strongest. His title has the strongest man was earned and He held up that title very well (especially at Marine ford). Has for Rogers and Rayleigh, Luffy and Zoro things may not be what people assume. Remember Rogers was dying of a disease, he needed Croucus just to keep it in check. So it would make sense to for Rayleigh to be has powerful if not stronger then Rogers. If any challenger tried to go after Rogers or challenge his title has king, it would make sense that Rayleigh would be the first obstacle in there path. If you can't beat the first mate then what chance would you have at the captain? This would be a great cover for a dying Rogers. Rayleigh also proved he can use all three haki branches. Rayleigh fought on even footing with Kizaru, what was he like in his prime? Was he has strong has Shanks is now or stronger? Has for Zoro and Luffy, I won't be surprised if Zoro is on equal footing with Luffy in power. Zoro's character in this story is treated differently then any of the characters in Straw hat Crew besides Luffy. In a recent chapter 677 the other half of the team meet up with Luffy finally for the counter attack. Luffy mentions "Its Zoro and the others." Why did not not just say others or Sanji and the others? People have mistaken Zoro for the captain, also certain events like ending with thriller bark, and Zoro lecturing Luffy on being careful leads me to believe differently about Zoro's true strength when compared to Luffy. Quote:
He is one of the four Yonkous, he trashed Marineford, the Marines needed the shichibukai, admirals, and might of the marines elite to take him on. He even Gold Rogers rival. If Rogers the only man to rival him is dead then that would leave White Beard at the time the strongest (I kinda wish Oda has shown Garp off a little more in the Marine Ford war since he fought with Rogers too). Last edited by grey_1960; 2012-10-22 at 00:33. Reason: More things to add |
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2012-10-22, 00:46 | Link #129 |
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this discussion reminds me of the many discussions we've had about op power levels.
as for dragon's powers, most readers think that he has some sort of DF that can manipulate the weather. but isn't haki supposed to have some sort of control over the weather as well? correct me if i'm wrong here but when whitebeard and shanks crossed swords, the sky grew dark, thunder rumbled and lightning struck. some say it was the effect of the power of their haki. they were so strong that it affected the weather. if that's the case, then dragon could simply have a really powerful haki strong enough to affect the weather.
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2012-10-22, 10:04 | Link #134 |
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Where does it say him being stronger than Garp, Sengoku and Kong? There isn't so let this go. You have proof that it says WB and Roger are stronger than them you can prove me wrong when we get more information but stop acting like your opinion is a fact. It's funny when people post their opinion and they act like it's a fact, when it's just a speculated guess.
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2012-10-22, 10:37 | Link #135 | |
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Strongest i.e. most strong; Adjective: Greatest in amount or degree: "they've had the most success"; "they had the most to lose". If you are the 'most' strong, than there can be no other stronger than you. This is axiomatically true; by definition, if you are the 'strongest', you are automatically stronger than every other individual. In the OP world, the strongest was Roger, and then Whitebeard. I can try and find you the chapter where Whitebeard was titled 'the strongest man in the world' but I trust that this matter has now been resolved and we can discuss more productive issues.
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2012-10-22, 18:59 | Link #138 |
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Uh.... yeah, just want to mention that I most likely won't be able to make the new thread on time once again due to my computer troubles (I am HOPING that it'll finally be repaired by this weekend though, at least). So yeah, just letting you guys know in advance....
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