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Thany · 2007-11-24, 07:07

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Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

The director of the ep was Okamura Masahiko (a man), who also did multiple episodes of [...] Doujin Work.

Now I'm getting kind of scared... Given how that director butchered Doujin Work into something much less funny than it used to be via various crappy plot change, I hope he didn't do the same for this episode.
As for the episodes, I'm still waiting for the DVD versions from Triad as apparently the TV censorship is rampant.

Kaioshin Sama · 2007-11-24, 16:08

I finally got around to Episode 06, and since I already talked about the contents of the episode I'll just talk briefly about the things that are anime exclusive (i.e use of colour and sound)

Spoiler for Symbolism In Episode 06::

-Firstly I felt the first shot of Reiji seeing Rin looking up at him for the first time was quite a powerful beginning to there saga. It's the perfect beginning of a girl looking up at a man who is about to become a huge part of her life, wondering who this person is at the time. Also Reiji looking down at Rin, being none the wiser to the impact this little girl will have on his life is all done well. Silent stares can often be more conveying of thoughts and ideas then words themselves.

-Most people probably noted the extensive use of Black & White in this episode. Obviously if you think about it, it's Reiji's viewpoint of the world. Everything has lost it's colour with the Death of Aki and only things that remind him of her are coloured in (The beach, the shell, Rin), until the very end when everything is coloured in around him as the memories come flooding back full force and he decides that Rin is just as important to him as Aki was.

- When the Ocean washed Aki's name off I felt it was very well done foreshadowing. Also if you pay attention, the Cherryblossom withering in the Autumn (by the way Aki means Autumn in Japanese as a sort of self fulfilling prophecy to eventually lose all her colour and fade away) as Aki's last moments approach was also well done.

- The music was astoundingly good in this episode from beginning to end. More shows need to have dramatic scenes just so we can here good music like this again.

- Rin's eyes at the very end with the haunted look were quite powerful as well. Rin is going to need lots of help and good friends to overcome this terrible loss.

- If there's one nitpick I have with this episode, it's that Sugita Tomokazu once again botched the moment with one of his screams as Reiji. At the climax of the episode Reiji is supposed to let out an agonizing scream that conveys loss and agony, and as with Kanon, Sugita fails to convey the proper emotion at the critical moment and it just comes out as a brash and curt scream of "AKI SAN!" as if he were yelling to get somebodies attention rather then in agony. Why can he still not do this right? I'm quiet disappointed with him as he had been improving so much in his roles but still cannot accomplish a tortured scream. Maybe it's not his forte, I don't know, but he's going to have to learn if I'm to take him and by extension the character and moment seriously in anymore of these roles.

Oh well, that's probably the last we'll hear of him attempting a scream as Reiji is a pretty quiet character, and Sugita is alright as long as he doesn't ever raise his voice. This still isn't enough to diminish the overall execution of the episode to a serious degree, but it's still a mark on it.

Aqualung · 2007-11-25, 07:16

I get a kick out of Kuro-chan. After all, how often do we get to see a lily loli goth?!

Neki Ecko · 2007-11-25, 21:15

First of all, Episode 6 was one of the best episode that I seen this year and I dont know why alot of people is hating it (ANN is the biggest haters to this series), but after I look at it. I have a couple of questions about it. For people who didnt see it, I will "tag" it

Spoiler for Question #1:

Then it will come to

Spoiler for Question #2:

That is the two questions that I have about this but the series is very good if you take away the pedo/sexual stuff away. I will like to see a Subfourms to this since both the Manga and Anime is very popular to alot people.

Anh_Minh · 2007-11-26, 00:21

Spoiler for Answer #2:

Kaioshin Sama · 2007-11-26, 00:59

As I just read this episodes manga chapter version, I can tell people right now the censors are an absolute jokes. Right now I can even name two of them since they are just that tame. When Kagami calls Aoki a name and he says it right back to her, she's calling him a....are you ready.....it's so horribly offensive....a (GASP!)

Spoiler for What Kagami Called Aoki:

.

Horrible I know. And the last scene which was slightly reworked along with much of the episode had Rin drooling on Aokis lap and waking up, saying he

Spoiler for What Rin Said:

, with Kagami also leaping at the opportunity to repeat so as well[spoiler]. All of this would even be allowed on American TV I imagine. Either the censor is the most overzealous censor in the history of the world, or they are gaming the market for enhanced DVD sales.

As for the rest of the episode, I'll just talk about the added part, which was the overnight campout. Gotta love Kagami having all that stuff shipped up to the cabin (kind of reminds me of Princess Vespa in Space Balls) only to have it sent away again. To bad this results in Aoki getting trapped in a noose and having to sing her a lullabye, which still get's him bitched out. The girls just plan evil and on a power trip, it's so awesome

. Also of note was the whole bathtub raid incident, which somehow felt like tactical espionage, but as usual the sole victim was Mimi. Rin also runs Aoki ragged along with Kagami, but has the courtesy to at least look after him while he rests. This actually ties into a Manga chapter a bit that never got featured, which is a shame, but basically she sort of owes him a little. Also of note was that Rin was humming the opening tune while coming her hair instead of paying attention to Kagami's fashion show.

All in all a solid episode other then the censoring which is out of control, especially since I know for a fact that nothing really unacceptable happened during any of them. In fact I've seen a lot worse slip by in this series then what was actually censored.

plzd0ntkeelme · 2007-11-26, 04:59

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Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

All in all a solid episode other then the censoring which is out of control, especially since I know for a fact that nothing really unacceptable happened during any of them. In fact I've seen a lot worse slip by in this series then what was actually censored.

I know, man. It's freaky that panty scenes are censored but the background at the female onsen where the female students walking around nekkid aren't.

Ep 7 is good. Hoin sensei once again fails in her plan. She tries to get into Aoki's room but unfortunately Rin moves much much quicker. I feel sorry for her tho'. There haven't been an ep where she successfully get a date with Aoki. Maybe in this series, nice guys or girls finish first.

Ichigo91 · 2007-11-26, 07:46

Spoiler for NSFW:

mdauben · 2007-11-26, 08:18

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Originally Posted by Neki Ecko

First of all, Episode 6 was one of the best episode that I seen this year and I dont know why alot of people is hating it (ANN is the biggest haters to this series), but after I look at it. I have a couple of questions about it.

Spoiler for Answer #1:

Spoiler for Answer #2:

Hope that answers your questions.

Zippicus · 2007-11-26, 09:03

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Originally Posted by mdauben

Spoiler for Answer #2:

Hope that answers your questions.

Spoiler for Small clarification:

Mad Dog · 2007-11-26, 13:50

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Originally Posted by Zippicus

Spoiler for Small clarification:

a bit more clarification

Spoiler:

mdauben · 2007-11-26, 14:02

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Originally Posted by Mad Dog

This is actually safer than most countries. The rate of deformaties caused by inbreeding is the lowest in the U.S than in any other country other than England and Spain. and that's only because we have a larger population than them.

Actually, it's more a cultural thing than an issue of safety. The increase in the incidence of birth defects amoung first cousins is only mariginal (1-2%) and is in fact less than the influence of other factors such as the age of the Mother. Still, this is all totally off topic, which is that the cousinxcousin relationship portrayed in KnJ is not unusual, illegal or immoral within the context of the society in which the story originated.

Vexx · 2007-11-26, 14:55

A certain clarification by Mad Dog is factually incorrect.
reference: http://www.ncsl.org/programs/cyf/cousins.htm
Completely legal in 21 states.
Allowed under certain conditions in 6 states.
Illegal in the other states though all of them typically recognize the marriages if conducted in a legal state anyway.

The inbreeding statement is also unsubstantiated. The global rates of genetic anomalies from first cousin marriage is only 2% higher than random strangers or about the same as any woman over 40 having a child.

As I've stated before, first cousin marriage taboos are almost completely a matter of culture in the US, dating from the migration of rural folk into the cities during the early Industrial Age. First cousin marriage was a typical rural fixture simply because there weren't very many people "out there" and most of your options were related in some manner.

And none of this has any damn thing to do with the story because CULTURALLY cousin relationships are a normal thing in most of the damn world and the US.

Neki Ecko · 2007-11-26, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdauben

Spoiler for Answer #1:

Spoiler for Answer #2:

Hope that answers your questions.

Thanks for that information, I understand the situation now. And the person that gave me Negative Rep on my last post, I dont know why you did that for anyway.

Vexx · 2007-11-26, 21:52

Aye, negrep is only useful if there's an explanation with it.

The degree of cousin-ness is irrelevant to the story other than in explaining how Rin may have ended up being under the care of Reiji (local, in the area so she could continue to live there, etc).

aohige · 2007-11-26, 23:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

When Kagami calls Aoki a name and he says it right back to her, she's calling him a....are you ready.....it's so horribly offensive....a (GASP!)

Spoiler for What Kagami Called Aoki:

.

Horrible I know.

For your information, although doutei indeed does mean male virgin, in Japan it's also used as an insult sometimes. Regular words being used as an insult isn't a foreign thing to English speakers, so that should be pretty obvious. (ex: calling someone a "dick")

And yes, it's not at all appropriate to be coming out of a 3rd grader's mouth as an insult aimed at a teacher.
It's about as inappropriate as a 3rd grader calling his teacher a dickhead.

While I don't agree with the censoring due to its nature of being a late-night show, it's not as strange as you're making it seem.
You must understand that what's used as an insult is different in each and every culture.
Here, may I suggest this book... Uglier Than a Monkeys Armpit: Untranslatable Insults, Put-downs and Curses from Around the World ?

Kaioshin Sama · 2007-11-26, 23:37

In Canada it's perfectly legal to marry ones cousin. As awkard as it may be for the family, I don't see what should be stopping someone from doing it.

Darkridr · 2007-11-26, 23:50

I'm still wondering where they're gonna cap the series at. I mean, will it stop at the end of Vol. 3? Sooner? Or might it delve into vol 4 of the mangas? I can't see it going too much further, considering there's only 5 more eps left of this series...

BTW, I know what ppl were saying earlier about the author usually only going no more than 4 volumes to a series, but as I've been getting the scanlations, some are being listed as Vol 5! Is this accurate? If so, any speculations as to how many volumes might be in this series?

aohige · 2007-11-26, 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkridr

I'm still wondering where they're gonna cap the series at. I mean, will it stop at the end of Vol. 3? Sooner? Or might it delve into vol 4 of the mangas? I can't see it going too much further, considering there's only 5 more eps left of this series...

BTW, I know what ppl were saying earlier about the author usually only going no more than 4 volumes to a series, but as I've been getting the scanlations, some are being listed as Vol 5! Is this accurate? If so, any speculations as to how many volumes might be in this series?

Well, this series is currently serialized in monthly Comic High! magazine.
So the scans from the episodes that were published on the magazine after the materials in vol.4 may be floating around as "what's going to be in vol.5".

Where the anime ends? Who knows.
Here's hoping for some pedelicious original anime ending, but I know I'm not going to get my wishes.

Neki Ecko · 2007-11-27, 00:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaioshin_Sama

In Canada it's perfectly legal to marry ones cousin. As awkard as it may be for the family, I don't see what should be stopping someone from doing it.

<Off- Topic> I can did some research about that and I found out that there is alot of people in U.S. that married their cousins(alot of first cousins by the way) <Off-Topic>

Spoiler for Famous People that married their cousin:

But back to the Series, I cant wait to see what will happen next.

2007-11-25, 21:15	Link #644
Neki Ecko Dancing with the Sky Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Everett, Washington Age: 44	First of all, Episode 6 was one of the best episode that I seen this year and I dont know why alot of people is hating it (ANN is the biggest haters to this series), but after I look at it. I have a couple of questions about it. For people who didnt see it, I will "tag" it Spoiler for Question #1: If Aki and Reiji was cousins, were are they first, second or distant cousins Then it will come to Spoiler for Question #2: Why she allow him to kiss her and make love to her as well if they were cousins That is the two questions that I have about this but the series is very good if you take away the pedo/sexual stuff away. I will like to see a Subfourms to this since both the Manga and Anime is very popular to alot people. __________________

2007-11-26, 00:21	Link #645
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Spoiler for Answer #2: Cousins can marry in most places, including Japan.

2007-11-26, 00:59	Link #646
Kaioshin Sama Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Neither Here nor There Age: 39	As I just read this episodes manga chapter version, I can tell people right now the censors are an absolute jokes. Right now I can even name two of them since they are just that tame. When Kagami calls Aoki a name and he says it right back to her, she's calling him a....are you ready.....it's so horribly offensive....a (GASP!) Spoiler for What Kagami Called Aoki: Virgin . Horrible I know. And the last scene which was slightly reworked along with much of the episode had Rin drooling on Aokis lap and waking up, saying he Spoiler for What Rin Said: ejaculated , with Kagami also leaping at the opportunity to repeat so as well[spoiler]. All of this would even be allowed on American TV I imagine. Either the censor is the most overzealous censor in the history of the world, or they are gaming the market for enhanced DVD sales. As for the rest of the episode, I'll just talk about the added part, which was the overnight campout. Gotta love Kagami having all that stuff shipped up to the cabin (kind of reminds me of Princess Vespa in Space Balls) only to have it sent away again. To bad this results in Aoki getting trapped in a noose and having to sing her a lullabye, which still get's him bitched out. The girls just plan evil and on a power trip, it's so awesome . Also of note was the whole bathtub raid incident, which somehow felt like tactical espionage, but as usual the sole victim was Mimi. Rin also runs Aoki ragged along with Kagami, but has the courtesy to at least look after him while he rests. This actually ties into a Manga chapter a bit that never got featured, which is a shame, but basically she sort of owes him a little. Also of note was that Rin was humming the opening tune while coming her hair instead of paying attention to Kagami's fashion show. All in all a solid episode other then the censoring which is out of control, especially since I know for a fact that nothing really unacceptable happened during any of them. In fact I've seen a lot worse slip by in this series then what was actually censored. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2007-11-26 at 13:39.

2007-11-26, 07:46	Link #648
Ichigo91 Dharma Institute Join Date: Dec 2005	Spoiler for NSFW: __________________ Anime Scans Image Board

2007-11-26, 14:55	Link #653
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	A certain clarification by Mad Dog is factually incorrect. reference: http://www.ncsl.org/programs/cyf/cousins.htm Completely legal in 21 states. Allowed under certain conditions in 6 states. Illegal in the other states though all of them typically recognize the marriages if conducted in a legal state anyway. The inbreeding statement is also unsubstantiated. The global rates of genetic anomalies from first cousin marriage is only 2% higher than random strangers or about the same as any woman over 40 having a child. As I've stated before, first cousin marriage taboos are almost completely a matter of culture in the US, dating from the migration of rural folk into the cities during the early Industrial Age. First cousin marriage was a typical rural fixture simply because there weren't very many people "out there" and most of your options were related in some manner. And none of this has any damn thing to do with the story because CULTURALLY cousin relationships are a normal thing in most of the damn world and the US. __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2007-11-24, 16:08	Link #642
Kaioshin Sama Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Neither Here nor There Age: 39	I finally got around to Episode 06, and since I already talked about the contents of the episode I'll just talk briefly about the things that are anime exclusive (i.e use of colour and sound) Spoiler for Symbolism In Episode 06:: -Firstly I felt the first shot of Reiji seeing Rin looking up at him for the first time was quite a powerful beginning to there saga. It's the perfect beginning of a girl looking up at a man who is about to become a huge part of her life, wondering who this person is at the time. Also Reiji looking down at Rin, being none the wiser to the impact this little girl will have on his life is all done well. Silent stares can often be more conveying of thoughts and ideas then words themselves. -Most people probably noted the extensive use of Black & White in this episode. Obviously if you think about it, it's Reiji's viewpoint of the world. Everything has lost it's colour with the Death of Aki and only things that remind him of her are coloured in (The beach, the shell, Rin), until the very end when everything is coloured in around him as the memories come flooding back full force and he decides that Rin is just as important to him as Aki was. - When the Ocean washed Aki's name off I felt it was very well done foreshadowing. Also if you pay attention, the Cherryblossom withering in the Autumn (by the way Aki means Autumn in Japanese as a sort of self fulfilling prophecy to eventually lose all her colour and fade away) as Aki's last moments approach was also well done. - The music was astoundingly good in this episode from beginning to end. More shows need to have dramatic scenes just so we can here good music like this again. - Rin's eyes at the very end with the haunted look were quite powerful as well. Rin is going to need lots of help and good friends to overcome this terrible loss. - If there's one nitpick I have with this episode, it's that Sugita Tomokazu once again botched the moment with one of his screams as Reiji. At the climax of the episode Reiji is supposed to let out an agonizing scream that conveys loss and agony, and as with Kanon, Sugita fails to convey the proper emotion at the critical moment and it just comes out as a brash and curt scream of "AKI SAN!" as if he were yelling to get somebodies attention rather then in agony. Why can he still not do this right? I'm quiet disappointed with him as he had been improving so much in his roles but still cannot accomplish a tortured scream. Maybe it's not his forte, I don't know, but he's going to have to learn if I'm to take him and by extension the character and moment seriously in anymore of these roles. Oh well, that's probably the last we'll hear of him attempting a scream as Reiji is a pretty quiet character, and Sugita is alright as long as he doesn't ever raise his voice. This still isn't enough to diminish the overall execution of the episode to a serious degree, but it's still a mark on it.

2007-11-25, 07:16	Link #643
Aqualung Ayukawa!!! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 58	I get a kick out of Kuro-chan. After all, how often do we get to see a lily loli goth?!

2007-11-26, 21:52	Link #655
Vexx Obey the Darkly Cute ... Author Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ... Age: 66	Aye, negrep is only useful if there's an explanation with it. The degree of cousin-ness is irrelevant to the story other than in explaining how Rin may have ended up being under the care of Reiji (local, in the area so she could continue to live there, etc). __________________ "It Really IS Rocket Science", Novel series rough drafts; vol. 1 thru vol. 3 complete Volume 4 in work, Visit the thread for short stories!

2007-11-26, 23:37	Link #657
Kaioshin Sama Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Neither Here nor There Age: 39	In Canada it's perfectly legal to marry ones cousin. As awkard as it may be for the family, I don't see what should be stopping someone from doing it.

2007-11-26, 23:50	Link #658
Darkridr Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Las Vegas	I'm still wondering where they're gonna cap the series at. I mean, will it stop at the end of Vol. 3? Sooner? Or might it delve into vol 4 of the mangas? I can't see it going too much further, considering there's only 5 more eps left of this series... BTW, I know what ppl were saying earlier about the author usually only going no more than 4 volumes to a series, but as I've been getting the scanlations, some are being listed as Vol 5! Is this accurate? If so, any speculations as to how many volumes might be in this series?