2012-05-19, 16:09 | Link #21 |
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Hard to say really...Iran is too unstable to be allowed to have nuclear warheads, and if they were to get them, they'd more than likely use it on our allies than us...at least at first.
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2012-05-19, 16:17 | Link #22 |
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It cracks me up everytime I hear how unstable Iran is, which has had an stable goverment (not a democracy, but neither we had one here in Mexico for most part of the 20th century) since the fall of the Sha, but nobody is paying attention to Pakistan, which goes from military rule to democracy like a jojo and HAS nuclear warheads and misiles to deploy them (no irs, ands or buts) and they keep moving them so at any given moment nobody knows where they are.
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2012-05-19, 19:54 | Link #23 | |
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Who is the authority on this world who should, and who shouldn't have nuclear weapons? what control do you have over a sovereign state? Would you allow foreign meddling in your affairs? (We would like to see a few US warcriminals turned over to the INTERNATIONAL court tyvm,... oh wait, you don't allow that) Every nation has the right to be able to defend itself from aggressors and when an aggressor has nukes, it pays for your nation safety/freedom to have them as well (BTW I'm still waiting for that proof of WMDs in Iraq)
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2012-05-19, 20:02 | Link #24 |
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In terms of strategy and military posturing and economic stability, the US is in a more awkward position than ever before. War-weariness has taken a toll on most citizens and thus naturally oppose any further large-scale military intervention, but unfortunately this is the very thing that potential hostile states are now taking advantage of.
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2012-05-20, 00:25 | Link #26 | |
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The actual comment was something closer to "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time" or simply "end that regime" without notion of using military intervention or military threat toward the state / people of Israel
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2012-05-20, 03:43 | Link #27 |
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Let's see now.
- Israel has the ability to launch nuclear weapons. - Iran has no nuclear weapons at this point in time. - Iran is surrounded by US military bases and the US has sent an extra fleet of ships and aircraft to the Persian Gulf and the surrounding areas. - The United States has the highest military budget in the world and Israel is threatening to strike Iran. I'm pretty sure Iran is not the aggresive one here, yes they're challenging the 'big boys' but I think they have a right to. |
2012-05-20, 03:53 | Link #28 |
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It's hard to say at this point but I think Iran were the aggressors towards Israel at first since they've been sponsoring Hezbollah, which considers Israel to be an illegitimate state and has called for it's destruction.
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2012-05-20, 06:30 | Link #30 | |
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Otherwise, i don't think Jordan or Syria (and Iraq) allow Israel bombers fly over their territories. Even if Iran just pack up their air-defending missiles and draw a big "bomb here" sign over their nuclear facilities And the distances also might be too large for them to operate refueling operations and do so effectively
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2012-05-20, 07:17 | Link #31 | |
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We can argue about rightiousness, propaganda and political BS all year long the hard fact is: If you were in a government you wouldn't do anyting differently When it comes to defending your nation, you'd either ally yourself with a nation that has 'the ultimate deterrent for war' or you try to build/buy the buggers yourself Since nobody wants to ally with Iran, they're opting for the latter -on a side note: Iran has nuclear capability, or the US would already be shipping out their oil and selling the country by the square mile
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2012-05-20, 08:30 | Link #32 | |
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Iraq had no nuclear weapons yet still the US needed to invade them to " ship their oil and sell the countru by the square mile". |
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2012-05-20, 08:35 | Link #33 |
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Even if that is the whole story, Israel have already retreated from Lebanon (I'm pretty sure you meant Lebanon) whilst Hezbollah are still belligerent.
And Israel currently occupies Palestine which the UN isn't damanding a full and immediate retreat.
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2012-05-20, 10:41 | Link #36 |
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Had the third reich won the war and the french resistance continued for several decades, wouldn't you think their next logical targets would have been residential zones, embassies and militar bases of the reich (and their allies) all over the world?
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2012-05-20, 11:27 | Link #38 | |
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But I'm sure you would have given us 60 years it would have happened. Don't worry I thank everybody for not giving us so much time and so I can only understand Palestinian point of view, as much as I understand the Israeli. As for attacking the US, though I heavily condamn such actions, if US wouldn't protect Isreal of all UN condamnation or any forms of anti-Isreal (we return to this stupid veto thing but we already got this discussion), I'm sure US wouldn't be attacked. |
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2012-05-20, 12:46 | Link #40 |
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Contrary to popular belief, the US is capable of acting rationally. There's no benefit for the US to attack Iran besides shutting up morons. These morons are not annoying enough to make it worth the cost. Besides Iran holds a major deterrent without nukes. They can shut down the strait or Hormuz. You don't need a nuke to not be attacked, you just need to not be worth the effort, and Iran is not worth the effort.
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