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Old 2011-06-21, 17:37   Link #1781
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Old 2011-06-21, 17:39   Link #1782
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Wow... that was quite the "rape the dog" moment. The obvious question is "WTF WHY?!", which makes me really wonder what "for FB" means.

Not going to comment on whether the flags were too obvious because I had accidentally spoiled myself fairly early on, but I was not expecting the event itself to play out as it did or appear so completely senseless.

Edit: Also, loved the Mayuri with lightsaber moment but it kind of got overshadowed.
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Old 2011-06-21, 17:50   Link #1783
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We all expected her to get jellified so yeah...

Ok if you guys have rewatched the OP:

Will the various time travelers clash against each other creating a nigh unsolvable puzzle? That would mean the Timelines are reversible or appear to be reversible for now, the liner momentum stays until a better time machine is made.
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Old 2011-06-21, 17:51   Link #1784
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Please put all episode information under spoilers!
Why? It's subbed already and the rules are once subbed, it's FFA
And how many of you thought that girl was Suzu for about 15 seconds.

And NOW I finally understand how they are 'compressing' a brain into 18 chars....they AREN'T! Hahaha
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Old 2011-06-21, 17:53   Link #1785
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That was an excellent episode, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.

That being said...


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Shit. Got. REAL.

Months ago, a certain poster have opened a thread trying to discuss "expected vs unexpected", basically a story where you could see things coming a mile away vs one filled to the brim with plot twists. The problem is that this poster kept throwing his weight around by telling everyone that the latter will always be better than the former., and that those arguing otherwise are idiots, even if they kept saying that all is in the execution.

This episode is the big middle finger to that guy.
No, it's not.

The events of this episode may not have been plot twists, per se, but I also wouldn't call them plot events that you could "see from a mile away".

I really don't get the attitude of people who are always against plot twists, and who defend plot predictability. Total plot predictability is dull and boring, regardless of execution, imo. Having a few surprises along the way makes things much more interesting, in my opinion, and I truly don't get why people would argue in favor of a narrative with no surprises whatsoever.

Even if what happened to Mayuri here is not terribly surprising, the way it all went down is a bit surprising, imo, and adds greatly to the effectiveness of this episode. So I don't think this episode supports your stance at all.
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Old 2011-06-21, 18:02   Link #1786
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I am at loss of words here, those who defends that stance don't do it because they think that this is better than the other. They were keeping telling "him" that it is NOT bad as he made it to be.



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So I don't think this episode supports your stance at all.
Oh it does. I don"t know why you missed the "execution and delivery" part. A bad predicable plot and a good predicable plot have a difference. It's the diference between sailing from London to New York while the ocean is all calm and the journey have no incident; and sailing from London to New York and still making it to the final destination after six storms, starvation and a sailor mutiny and diseases striking the crew.
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Old 2011-06-21, 18:06   Link #1787
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Plot twists ain't bad, but they can only shine when the execution is done right otherwise you get asspulls.
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Old 2011-06-21, 18:07   Link #1788
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I am at loss of words here, those who defends that stance don't do it because they think that this is better than the other. They were keeping telling "him" that it is NOT bad as he made it to be.

Oh it does. I don"t know why you missed the "execution and delivery" part.
I didn't "miss" anything, Sheba.

I simply disagree with you.

I think that a complete lack of surprises in an anime narrative of significant length (a cour or longer) is genuinely bad. It's not good, in my view, for everything to be predictable. Regardless of how a story is executed, I don't want to be able to predict everything that happens. That's dull and boring, imo.


That has nothing to do with Steins;Gate.

Steins;Gate has had surprising plot twists already, imo. For example, how Akihabara was de-otakued. A lot of viewers (including myself) seemed surprised by that, and it made for one of the best scenes in this anime so far, imo.
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Old 2011-06-21, 18:17   Link #1789
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This episode's OkaKuri was great (o^_^o)



From top right to bottom left:
A kiss to hand - Respect
A kiss to temple - Friendship?
A kiss to cheeks - Courtesy
A kiss to eyelid - Admiration
A kiss to palm - plead
A kiss to arms and neck - lust
A kiss to lips - love
And kiss to places other than those - madness ;P
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Old 2011-06-21, 18:22   Link #1790
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You know they are 'glossing over' the most BS item here.

I'm good with a machine that can time travel
I'm good with a LHC generating a black hole.
but a Machine that can READ your 4TB Mind and then echo it BACK? Isn't that basically brainwashing. What the heck is this? PAYBACK the movie?
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Old 2011-06-21, 18:26   Link #1791
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my god, how dare Moeka kill Mayuri, all in the name of facebook. At least we know her true identity now, she always was suspicious. Could Suzuha have been wrong that Kurisu was the spy instead of Moeka because the shift in world lines? Enjoyed the awkwardness of Okarin and Kurisu conversation when she blushed and was flustered. Didn't think he wouldn't go through with the experiment though.
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Old 2011-06-21, 18:28   Link #1792
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FB is the big unknown, is it a SERN sub-division, a group of sympathizers related to SERN, or the initial letter of someone else? I mean, the team looked more like activists a la Twelve Monkeys than paramilitaries going SWAT all over the protagonists.
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Old 2011-06-21, 18:31   Link #1793
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I think that a complete lack of surprises in an anime narrative of significant length (a cour or longer) is genuinely bad. It's not good, in my view, for everything to be predictable. Regardless of how a story is executed, I don't want to be able to predict everything that happens. That's dull and boring, imo.
Well first of all I don't know what each of you guys refer to as surprises or twists, etc.

A twist is something that misleads you into thinking A when really it's B that happens. A surprise can be a twist, but it's more generally anything that's unexpected.

Not all series need twists. Does a series at least need some surprises to keep the audience entertained?

I would actually venture to say not exactly. Most series such as Steins;Gate heavily foreshadow events before they happen, so it is already expected. Mayuri's death in this episode wasn't the least bit surprising, but was the scene enjoyable? Hell yes. That's due to execution, great directing.

However, this is not to say that you can't effectively execute surprises in manners that can really rile up the audience into a frenzy. It's the result of constructing surprises that are both believable, but at the same time draws upon things earlier in the series. Because if things just always come out of nowhere, then it doesn't do much good.

Basically, the most essential element is always execution. Surprises can be nice, but are not necessary for a good or entertaining plot.
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Old 2011-06-21, 18:31   Link #1794
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You know they are 'glossing over' the most BS item here.

I'm good with a machine that can time travel
I'm good with a LHC generating a black hole.
but a Machine that can READ your 4TB Mind and then echo it BACK? Isn't that basically brainwashing. What the heck is this? PAYBACK the movie?
Didn't Makise say they were going to the use the power of the LHC to create a mini-blackhole and utilize it to compress the memories infinitesmally smaller?
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Old 2011-06-21, 18:35   Link #1795
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my god, how dare Moeka kill Mayuri, all in the name of facebook.
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At least we know her true identity now, she always was suspicious. Could Suzuha have been wrong that Kurisu was the spy instead of Moeka because the shift in world lines? Enjoyed the awkwardness of Okarin and Kurisu conversation when she blushed and was flustered. Didn't think he wouldn't go through with the experiment though.
My theory is that Moeka was brainwashed. Her face looked different and she looked hesitant to kill Mayuri, and I found it interesting that Suzuha told everyone that Kurisu was going to be a SERN spy, even though it's relatively obvious that she has no intention of betraying all of the other lab members. If Moeka wanted the time machine so bad earlier, I think she would of busted in sooner, but in the beginning she looked pretty paranoid and vunerable.

But yeah, I'm pretty damn upset that Mayuri died. She was just slowly becoming one of my favorite characters. There isn't a lot of nice, social, bubbly female characters that I can really relate to like Mayuri.
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Old 2011-06-21, 18:35   Link #1796
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This episode's OkaKuri was great (o^_^o)

From top right to bottom left:
A kiss to hand - Respect
A kiss to temple - Friendship?
A kiss to cheeks - Courtesy
A kiss to eyelid - Admiration
A kiss to palm - plead
A kiss to arms and neck - lust
And kiss to places other than those - madness ;P
You missed:

If on the lips, love.

Funny picture.
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Old 2011-06-21, 18:38   Link #1797
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If on the lips, love.

Funny picture.
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ROFL




My theory is that Moeka was brainwashed.(
Oh god. I just had an image of Suzuha mounting Moeka to check for a chip in her eyes, just like she did for Okabe. Darn yuri-goggles!
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Old 2011-06-21, 18:41   Link #1799
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FB is the big unknown, is it a SERN sub-division, a group of sympathizers related to SERN, or the initial letter of someone else? I mean, the team looked more like activists a la Twelve Monkeys than paramilitaries going SWAT all over the protagonists.
My bet is that FB is probably a higher up of SERN who Moeka serves directly under. FB might be the person's initials, or a codename. Maybe its something different, but either way, I think we'll find out soon enough.
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ROFL

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Former episodes tends to disprove the brainwashing theory. She either willingly worked for them, or she have been threatened into doing it, or she was promised a reward like a new cellhpone! (joking about that one).

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My bet is that FB is probably a higher up of SERN who Moeka serves directly under. FB might be the person's initials, or a codename. Maybe its something different, but either way, I think we'll find out soon enough.


You know, the first guy with FB as initial letters that came in my mind was.... Fabien Barthez
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