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Marcus H. · 2010-09-19, 22:37

It would start up a World War IV. Academy City would force the espers to battle with mages in the bloodiest world conflict in history. Touma would be forced to team up with Aleister and it would end in a final battle against Johann's Pen Index and an Awakened Touma.

Miraluka · 2010-09-19, 23:36

I like to stick to that theory hehehe!

Chaos2Frozen · 2010-09-20, 01:45

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Chaos2Frozen might have a nice theory going. But who created the homunculus then? And how would Aleister react to it?

Aleister probably doesn't care, or he might just be the creator himself back during his time as a magician.

Flere821 · 2010-09-20, 04:11

I'll just post my two cents on how I see this (See spoilers, just remembered recently light novel info aren't supposed to be discussed outside the LN thread) :

Spoiler:

Miraluka · 2010-09-20, 06:54

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Aleister probably doesn't care, or he might just be the creator himself back during his time as a magician.

Reading your previous post. I guess maybe is the last move Aleister's wife did before dying, she shouldn't be happy of being used as a tool to summon Aiwass and then discarded after spending years of life together. Reminds me a series where a woman keeps her son alive in order to avenge her against her husband with both, son and father without knowings each other existence.

MeisterBabylon · 2010-09-20, 09:12

Crack theory: Index = Lilicia.

The loli is as old as fuck.

Miraluka · 2010-09-20, 09:43

There must be a reason why she is talented to be so damn powerful and why she is placed above saints(acqua included), Carrisa (with Curtana Original), Accelerator(black wings mode) and only below to Gabriel, Fiamma and Aiwass.

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Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

The loli is as old as fuck.

Ask Komoe.

BTW, reading the lit. of Dragon Breath is... Killing Breath of the Dragon King? Sounds too awesome.

Question:
How is that UBW-like spell that Index used to summon legendary weapons against Stiyl? How it works?

giorno · 2010-09-20, 11:58

so the Dragon King breathes...death? °___°

also, how does Index cast all those powerful spells without the need for a circle, chant or anything of the sort? unless it's just that the stronger spells are stupidly easy to cast?

Miraluka · 2010-09-20, 12:00

Maybe just like Fiamma does.

Flere821 · 2010-09-21, 01:30

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Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Question:
How is that UBW-like spell that Index used to summon legendary weapons against Stiyl? How it works?

No idea, the narrative just said the weapons are appearing one by one, with even multiple copies of the same weapons. Most of the ones Index summon are weapons 'being able to suffocate the enemy just by floating in the air'.

My guess is that Index is using a spell like Emiya's "Trace: On" to mass produce these things. How the heck does she do it, I have no idea, as the narrative is really lacking in the details. This is just one battle in the last Battle Report of Vol21, so I guess not much space is given for these compared to other battles that have a whole chapter dedicated to describing them.

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Originally Posted by giorno

also, how does Index cast all those powerful spells without the need for a circle, chant or anything of the sort? unless it's just that the stronger spells are stupidly easy to cast?

It's been suggested that Index can do all this since she has the knowledge of 103,000 grimoires - kinda like Edward and Alphonse from FMA being able to transmute objects without a circle since they already have the knowledge from the Gate of Truth.

giorno · 2010-09-21, 05:40

but AFAIK, the way magic works in Index is pretty much theurgy, requiring special circles and incantations to borrow the power of angels....

so i don't think knowledge alone should be enough to skip them...?

Plant42 · 2010-09-21, 06:26

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Originally Posted by giorno

but AFAIK, the way magic works in Index is pretty much theurgy, requiring special circles and incantations to borrow the power of angels....

so i don't think knowledge alone should be enough to skip them...?

As if you don't know the magic circle of 'Saint George Cathedral' which she activate is the key for using the 'Dragon Breath'.
http://www12.atwiki.jp/index-index/pages/196.html

P.S. 'Saint George Cathedral' is the spell which control space and time rift.
The space crack where 'Dragon Breath' appears from was created by this.

Miraluka · 2010-09-21, 10:02

In other word a requirement in order to cast spells including UBW??

Inept Forum User · 2010-09-21, 16:08

Just a question; what is the nature of the 'red wings' exactly? Has it been stated yet?

Miraluka · 2010-09-21, 16:26

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Originally Posted by Inept Forum User

Just a question; what is the nature of the 'red wings' exactly? Has it been stated yet?

Same question.

Flere821 · 2010-09-22, 00:19

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Originally Posted by Inept Forum User

Just a question; what is the nature of the 'red wings' exactly? Has it been stated yet?

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Originally Posted by Wilfriback

Same question.

So far, no idea... it wasn't stated in Vol21, at least I haven't read anything about it =/

giorno · 2010-09-22, 03:46

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Originally Posted by Plant42

As if you don't know the magic circle of 'Saint George Cathedral' which she activate is the key for using the 'Dragon Breath'.
http://www12.atwiki.jp/index-index/pages/196.html

P.S. 'Saint George Cathedral' is the spell which control space and time rift.
The space crack where 'Dragon Breath' appears from was created by this.

but the point still stands, she just projects the circle out of nowhere, without the need to draw it or chant anything(unless it's different in the novel?)

tsunade666 · 2010-09-22, 07:48

no she really didn't chant anything when summoning the saint george cathedral. Though dragon's breath had an incantation but you can't use it without the saint george cathedral.

Their is no explanation on red wings. Index just grew red wings on her back while pawning styl.

Miraluka · 2010-09-22, 09:54

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Originally Posted by Flere821

So far, no idea... it wasn't stated in Vol21, at least I haven't read anything about it =/

I hope it would be explained the next volume.

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Originally Posted by Flere821

No idea, the narrative just said the weapons are appearing one by one, with even multiple copies of the same weapons. Most of the ones Index summon are weapons 'being able to suffocate the enemy just by floating in the air'.

My guess is that Index is using a spell like Emiya's "Trace: On" to mass produce these things. How the heck does she do it, I have no idea, as the narrative is really lacking in the details. This is just one battle in the last Battle Report of Vol21, so I guess not much space is given for these compared to other battles that have a whole chapter dedicated to describing them.

It's been suggested that Index can do all this since she has the knowledge of 103,000 grimoires - kinda like Edward and Alphonse from FMA being able to transmute objects without a circle since they already have the knowledge from the Gate of Truth.

Poor Stiyl, so his life is doomed? If Touma ever manages to destroy Fiamma's control how is going to do Stiyl with the one who Laura's has? His life is on the border to the other world ready to meet with halFrenda.

I wonder is there is a relation the Norse Mythology and those freaking powerful spells related to the dragon breath and red wings.

Master Assassin · 2010-09-22, 11:13

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Originally Posted by Wilfriback

I wonder is there is a relation the Norse Mythology and those freaking powerful spells related to the dragon breath and red wings.

The dragon that eats the root of Yggdrasil, the Nidhogg?

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2010-09-20, 04:11	Link #84
Flere821 Lurker Join Date: Aug 2010	I'll just post my two cents on how I see this (See spoilers, just remembered recently light novel info aren't supposed to be discussed outside the LN thread) : Spoiler: Aleister was stated to have sacrificed dozens of little girls the same age as her daughter in Vol7 in one of his experiments - so my guess is that IF his daughter turned out to be alive he wouldn't care. OR he might even eliminate her depending on the situation. IMO, Index probably isn't Aleister's daughter - you'd think Aleister would notice something like 'Index Librorum Prohibitum', an important person from the magic side being his daughter.

2010-09-20, 09:12	Link #86
MeisterBabylon ~ Your Smile ~ Author Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 346Pro Age: 38	Crack theory: Index = Lilicia. The loli is as old as fuck. __________________ 白露型駆逐艦の４番艦、夕立です。第三次ソロモン海戦では、けっこう頑張ったっぽい★？

2010-09-21, 10:02	Link #93
Miraluka Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 34	In other word a requirement in order to cast spells including UBW?? Last edited by Miraluka; 2010-09-21 at 10:45.

2010-09-22, 07:48	Link #98
tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	no she really didn't chant anything when summoning the saint george cathedral. Though dragon's breath had an incantation but you can't use it without the saint george cathedral. Their is no explanation on red wings. Index just grew red wings on her back while pawning styl. __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

2010-09-19, 23:36	Link #82
Miraluka Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 34	I like to stick to that theory hehehe!

2010-09-20, 11:58	Link #88
giorno Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009	so the Dragon King breathes...death? °___° also, how does Index cast all those powerful spells without the need for a circle, chant or anything of the sort? unless it's just that the stronger spells are stupidly easy to cast?

2010-09-20, 12:00	Link #89
Miraluka Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 34	Maybe just like Fiamma does.

2010-09-21, 05:40	Link #91
giorno Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009	but AFAIK, the way magic works in Index is pretty much theurgy, requiring special circles and incantations to borrow the power of angels.... so i don't think knowledge alone should be enough to skip them...?

2010-09-21, 16:08	Link #94
Inept Forum User Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010	Just a question; what is the nature of the 'red wings' exactly? Has it been stated yet?