2004-07-11, 11:17 | Link #21 | |
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Let me ask you a couple questions, and let's see if you address them. My hope is that you will, instead of repeating your claim that you don't back up with evidence. Anyways, here are the questions: 1) Do you watch anime music videos, browse fan art, or watch fan subs? 2) If you answered yes, what is your reasoning for considering it legal? If no, what is your reasoning for considering it illegal? Now, I will answer the questions myself and state why I say what I do... I do all 3, and I could wager good money that most of the people on this forum do. Why? Because it is interesting to see the interpretation of the works' meaning through the eyes of other viewers. Fan art is considered fair use through precedent and lack of enforcement. It copies a very small portion of the work and is usually re-interpreted in a different manner. The fact that it is non-profit that cannot hurt (can only help) the copyright owner's business also helps the legality. However, companies haven't pressed those who are doing works for commission at conventions, which would hurt them in the future if they did suddenly decide to press it. Anime music videos have been around long enough and unchallenged that it would be nearly impossible for anyone to put the genie back in the bottle. While the reproduction of the music is questionable, and the public showing of them dubious at best (as companies have been challenging this, but not the making of), it hasn't been tested in court because the industry hasn't been willing to test the waters and see which way court precedent would go, although it would likely be not in favor of the copyright holders, but could possibly be shut down due to the music content (which oddly hasn't been challenged by the RIAA, making their case against it difficult). Even fan subs are on shaky legal ground but get away with it because of the problem of enforcing a Japanese copyright within the US (especially since I don't think Japan ratified the international copyright treaty, last time I checked). Few companies have the reach and ability to enforce those copyrights (and those that do, announce it shortly after the series first airs). If Japan were to ratify the international copyright treaty and actively persue their copyrights, fan subs are dead in the water, legally. Until then, you can enjoy your fan subs. So, the reason why I see fan games as being legal is the scope of copying done, and while it is most certainly Beebop inspired, doesn't mean it carries the Beebop name or even character names. So far, the game mechanics are geared to be a general bounty hunting game, and character names aren't even being used because I wanted an extendible game as well. Makes it difficult to show that my intent is to hurt the sales of Beebop merchandising. The full intent of *THIS PROJECT* is to make a game, post it as a fan-made card game, and *LEAVE IT THAT WAY*. This project is not intended for profit and never will be, and not to be confused with other games I have in the pipeline. Anything else, or can I get on with it? EDIT: Oh, and let's try to keep the people-bashing to a minimum. Attack ideas and claims, but not people, that goes for people on both sides of this debate. I don't mind the complaints about the legality, which I have no problem addressing before I start posting game material. ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL: Okay, I do stand corrected on one point, Japan has signed on with Berne Convention, and thus can protect copyright here. But my other point remains that it is difficult to extend reach (as the company still has to file here in the US). Each country is expected to have their own compliant set of copyright laws which are used for dealing with what is infringing or not in that country, so US copyright still applies in this case. Last edited by Krevnik; 2004-07-11 at 11:58. |
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2004-07-20, 13:28 | Link #22 |
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Woah, I missed some problem posts. Let's see if we can salvage this as best we can and move it forward. A status update has been posted, and as always is in the first post for new readers to see the current status. The rules draft has been posted, and I have decided to keep it a little more generic (but heavily anime-inspired), and not use any character names or series titles. This helps avoid infringing on trademarks companies might have, which are (I think) a more severe problem than the copyright issue at the moment.
In any case, I am attempting to find some middle ground, and to help get people involved, I am looking for people to help create card art. People who can draw in an 'Anime' style or can use 3D to create vehicles/items/etc and interested in helping get themselves out there as 'Hey, I helped with this project, you can go here and see the work done for it by me,' please let me know in PM or post here (preferably). More artists means the final product is finished faster, and more people can benefit. So check the link on the first post, get up to speed on the rules, and post comments/suggestions/questions/edits to the rules, and post if you are interested in contributing art. (If you feel you need to protect your rights for the art, we can get something simple done and signed which will provide documentation of the terms of the art's use) |
2004-07-30, 09:01 | Link #23 |
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When some anime maker puts you in jail, i will personally visit your cell and have good laugh.
Your ideas are awesome, but you need something ORIGINAL something that hasent been copyrighted time and time again!!! |
2004-07-30, 19:16 | Link #24 | |
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And excuse me? I posted up a set of rules about a game, which is about galactic bounty hunting. Sorry, but I haven't seen any other card games about galactic bounty hunting, so there isn't anything infringing within the game at this point. To be blunt, at first I tolerated your critism, because the game was in a grey area. Now it isn't anymore, and unless you can prove what/how it infringes on a copyright, you are starting to enter the realm of trolling and flamebait. I suggest you calm down a little and at the very least hold your tongue until you find something that can be proven to infringe on copyright. And hey, the name of the game in creativity is reinterpreting what you experience, and gaining inspiration from other sources. That includes movies, etc which are protected by copyright, as long as the person is not /copying/ the material (hence the term copyright). |
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2004-07-31, 21:48 | Link #25 |
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Um...Mr Krevnic..
Please accept my appologies about this argument. Im sorry for hassling you about legal issues. To make it up to you.... I happened to see the maker of CoyBoy Beebop at the local anime convection in Jap. I told him about this thread and your rules for the game. He says when he gets more money (he just made a CoyBoy Bebop video game) hge will look into it. You should creat your own gaming company or at least sell your ideas to Wizards of The Coast. Sorry Krevnic for all the trouble i have given you. please forgive me.... |
2004-08-01, 00:31 | Link #26 | |
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1) The spelling of my alias is on every post I make, so it shouldn't be too difficult to spell it correctly. (I am a stickler on this) 2) As you should notice, the rules, while most definitely inspired by things like Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop, isn't a game based in the series anymore. Hence, why it cannot be considered infringing anymore. Once I get one of the decks done, it should become more clear. While I do appreciate the attempt to make it up, probably the wrong way to go about doing it. This project is going to be a contribution to the community, and should remain that way. I don't intend to ever consider selling it to a publisher of any kind, licensing it out, etc... I have other projects designed for that. |
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2004-08-01, 08:55 | Link #27 |
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But you SHOULD sell it.
You would make good money out of it and you would become sorta famous..... The problem is, i think your games are so different, that they will only be shunned like the DragonBall Z cardgame. I think you should make a Board game and not a card game. When you make a card game people look at it and say "Hey look, its another Yu-Gi-Oh thing") but board games get a lot mor respect. try it. |
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