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2013-02-20, 14:21 | Link #3002 |
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Fire is often depicted as offensive because it exists by consuming things. No fuel = no fire.
Lightning/Wind are often paired together - lightning is often seen as precise (bolts) but also random (hence crit chance or damage spread in games) Earth are often the AoE type offensively (earthquake, mudslides as inspiration) while water is often a defensive element (healing/purifying qualities of water tend to be emphasized) Water can also be a defensively crippling element, as if you add water to earth it becomes things like swamp or quicksand. Also something I noticed in Force (I haven't kept up though) that I think kind of supports Aki's idea that fire is generally weak(er) in Nanoha. Remember that Hayate used an ice spell on the Huckebein and they couldn't dispel the magic links holding the ice together; they ended up using a physical sword to cut the block apart - however I believe Cypha (?) dispelled Signum's flames easily enough. Either it is the difference between the physical and not (a block of ice is self sustaining and fire, without fuel cannot sustain itself) or that ice is a stronger, more sufficiently bonded material than fire is in terms of generating it. I'm not familiar enough with Force to compare Fate's lightning to Signum's fire, however. If it's a bad idea, I think I'll just crawl back to my lurking hole ~_~ |
2013-02-20, 14:26 | Link #3003 |
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It's mainly because the fuel for Signum's flames was her mana, and with that delinked, the fire went out. However, it's a specific case and not what Aki says, that the element of fire is weak no matter what. Essentially its his usual hate-trolling of Signum's character.
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2013-02-20, 22:13 | Link #3004 |
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You have to admit being so dependant to mana is a very crippling disadvantage against other elements, tough xDU
Agito used her fake flames more wisely during the rematch, her attacks still can't do shit to Cypha but at least managed to distract her and reduce her perception allowing Signum to defend herself and score a few hits. So, in Nanohaverse, fire is quite weak comapred to other elements but can still be used creatively.
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2013-02-20, 22:28 | Link #3007 | |
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Instant solid structures have lots of usefull aplications.
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Signum used fire in her battle, it didn't work and got trounced. Seems pretty logical o_o
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2013-02-20, 22:41 | Link #3009 |
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None of which have proven viable in any of the instances of usage in the franchise. Not with Chrono, or with Rein Zwei, or with Hayate... so no. That logic points to "fail".
Since Signum was trying to capture Cypha and not kill her without the aid of an AEC Armament, her getting trounced was inevitable. It wasn't because she used fire. That's only in your screwed up logic.
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So far ice has proven to have pretty useful. Quote:
She got screwed the instant she started to focus on fire spells xDU
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2013-02-20, 22:56 | Link #3011 |
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She was screwed no matter what she did in that fight. That was the point. It is NOT an indication of her chosen element being weak, so quit trying to portray it as that. Just quit it entirely with your constant Signum hatred. We know you hate her, so quit reminding us with every post you make.
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2013-02-20, 23:00 | Link #3012 | ||
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By the way, MCA cannot be "chosen" or "trained" isn't? it0's kind of an inherent trait. Or at least i remeber it being something like that xD
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*Play with her speed to outmaneuver Cypha (Signum shown to be quite faster than her)? *Use the enviroment to compensate her disadvantages (a forest is a pretty good place to do tricky stuff during a fight)? *Provoking explosions rather than flamethrowers (as Isis showed, explosions alone cannot be cancelled)? ...anything other than running straight to the person who nearly destroyed your sword and shown to be capable to regenerate easily xDU I mean geez, what was she thinking? Quote:
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2013-02-20, 23:42 | Link #3016 | ||
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Damn right you did. "Cypha being remarkably strong" is not a valid reason for calling fire weak. That is, again, your attempts at trolling to try and discredit Signum through your arguments against fire magic and Arisa and everything else.
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2013-02-21, 00:00 | Link #3018 | ||
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And yeah, that basically demonstrates Fire is a weak element in the Nanoha canon, Cypha couldn't had dispelled Lightning or Ice as a easily. Signum and Agito have some explosive fire spells, they could had focuse on that instead of using mana-fueled flames as means of attack against an opponent Signum already knows can cut mana xDU Quote:
Altough, Reinforce Zwei is so good and fast with it i had my doubts for a while xD
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Ergo, she did not have a chance. At all. It wasn't because "fire is weak" or "Signum is weak". It was just because Cypha had all the advantages on account of the Eclipse Virus. Quote:
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2013-02-21, 00:16 | Link #3020 | ||
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Saying they "had no way to hold Cypha" or that it was "impossible" is just lazy thinking. Last season we just saw the Numbers who are FAR weaker than the main cast pull out come crazy effective strategies to put the heroes at stake. Only in Reinforce Zwei's case. Chrono and Hayate had horri-long delay in casting and play Ice spells mostly for AoE attacks while Rein-chan seems to be far mroe versatile than anyone at ice magic to date xD
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