2004-01-08, 01:49 | Link #21 |
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はじめまして! ピッカホ です!
げんき です か? ぼく の にほんご は じょおぞ で は ありません!ごめなさい! here's some good sites: http://jin.jcic.or.jp/kidsweb/language.html http://www.thejapanesepage.com/grammar.htm |
2004-01-08, 02:05 | Link #22 |
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To Piccahoe
The correct way of writing would be: ぼく の にほんご は じょうず で は ありません。 If you type it without spaces and hit the space bar at the end of the sentence, you would get this: 僕の日本語は上手ではありません。 To Roots, Thank you for the tips I've been working ahead a bit, and the ["A" wa "B" da] construction will be introduced in the 3rd lesson, though the full intricacies won't be explained until the 5th lesson. The problem with "da" is that it's a verb which behaves very differently from other verbs, so I decided to introduce that one later, after people will have had the chance to get used to the regular verbs. (Unfortunately all the most useful constructions have grammatical difficulties which should be slowly introduced.). I know that it's quite overwhelming to see kanji on the first lesson (I know I'm evil ), but I think it's good to get used to them right away. I'm hoping that having the sentences in hiragana as well as kanji will enable people to use the course even if they don't know kanji. But the lack of spaces in Japanese can make hiragana sentences very hard to read. I remember that in the beginning I thought that life would be so much easier if the Japanese would just abolish kanji. Now I know I wouldn't be able to make heads or tails of the language if they would. I tried to pick simple kanji like 山 and 川 and such, but the second set of kanji you recommended ( 大, 小 ) has the problem of being conjugated adjectives ( 大きい, 小さい ) or part of a word with more complex kanji ( 大学, 小便 ). If you want to focus on learning kanji only, Kanji Site is a very good one. And if you prefer to learn useful phrases Japanese Online is a great site. But I haven't found any (free) sites that combine the two into a unified whole. That's why on Japanese 101 I decided to use a structure in which you learn both at the same time. I noticed that people learn things more easily if they can play with a test to see how many they already know. I will be creating online tests later on for hiragana, kanji, and grammar, but at the moment my attention is on the lessons and the grammar section. (The latter is gonna be especially large, with probably well over 50 reference pages.) Last edited by Eelco; 2006-03-14 at 02:32. |
2004-01-08, 04:24 | Link #23 | |
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In addition, because the focus of his course is on written Japanese, not conversation, there's no point in having someone optically memorizing かわ , when in every Japanese document (even the easiest manga!) he'll encounter 川. Eelco, my own objection is that you plan on using romaji for too long. And that in the page where transcription is explained, you've translated "matte" as "hold on a sec" (=chotto matte) instead of "wait". |
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2004-01-08, 06:40 | Link #24 | |
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2004-01-08, 10:10 | Link #25 |
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about that website
http://www.theforeigner-japan.com/in...forum/YaBB.cgi is it the best also to enable the sounds so that you know how they speak etc |
2004-01-14, 08:53 | Link #26 |
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I'm not sure how this should be applied to the forum...
At this moment I have neither the storage space, nor the cute girl to do the voice recording. That'll be something for the future, perhaps next time I'm in Japan. The next lesson (no. 3) will be uploaded tomorrow. After that I'll start serious work on the Grammar section. With any luck I'll be able to upload the first section in a week, but with the new issue coming up for the magazine itself it might be a bit hectic, so no promises |
2004-01-15, 00:33 | Link #27 |
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WARNING!!!! just to warn ppl who go to www.japanese-online.com .....unless ur a pornomaniac (EWW)...dont forget to put the (-) in the url.
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2004-01-15, 14:56 | Link #28 |
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Cheers for the free japanese grammer learning website, only had a quick look through the first lesson not really had the time to delve deeply into it, but it looks pretty promising. I went to japanese online once, but tbh i found it quite useless teaching me phrases rather than actual grammatical structure etc. Being chinese, i'm assuming the word structure is totally different and that is epitomised by the first section with the world "no". Anyway, thanks for the website, will be eagerly learning japanese
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2004-01-21, 11:58 | Link #29 | |
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2004-01-27, 15:29 | Link #32 | |
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Well, there are a lot of manga aimed at young children that are written in hiragana only. Those can still be quite entertaining. The more popular manga are written for teenagers, and are written in kanji, though some feature so called "furigana", which are small hiragana next to the kanji to give the pronunciation. If you want to learn kanji alone, I recommend www.kanjistep.com or www.kanjisite.com, but remember that knowing all the kanji in the Japanese language won't do you any good without understanding the grammar. If you want to learn it by yourself "Japanese for Busy People" is a good textbook series. They will teach you grammatical structures while giving useful sentences. Else of course you could check out my site , but lessons will be added rather slowly (one every issue, which if you're lucky means one lesson per month). There are three lessons online now, which cover hiragana, and roughly 40-50 kanji I think, plus some very basic grammar. I'd say that you can manage well with my course after 8 lessons. Then you'll have a basic knowledge of Japanese to a point that you'll be able to use it. |
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2004-01-27, 16:07 | Link #33 | |
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edit: Eelco how long have you studied japanese? Last edited by Tritium; 2004-01-27 at 17:07. |
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2004-01-27, 23:22 | Link #37 | |
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2004-01-28, 01:46 | Link #38 |
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I'm 30 and studied Japanese at the university in Holland. But there are things that even the University doesn't teach you .
As for Korean: It doesn't only have the same word order, but also uses kanji (though not as much as Japanese). One point where Korean is even more complex than Japanese is the levels of politeness. If you thought they were impossible in Japanese, don't even think about taking on Korean . But a 1000 similar words in Korean and Japanese hardly makes it the same language. German and Dutch share over 10.000 same words, and still I can't speak the language (German that is). |
2004-01-29, 01:22 | Link #39 |
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I am currently taking Japanese at my local Community College, and the text book we use is Genki, which is published by the Japan Times. It is very user friendly, not horribly expensive, and introduces vocabulary, kanji, and kana in an organized and sensible manner. So if anyone is looking for an actual textbook to use, Fusayo-sensei told my class that Genki was chosen because it approaches Japanese from all directions. I'd definitely recommend it.
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2004-01-29, 12:38 | Link #40 | |
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I never thought the polite level was hard in korean. lol, the most basic one is to just say "yo" at the end of ur sentence. (it wont work all the time tho) ANyway, it does seem more complicated than japanese tho.... It doesnt help u speak, but it WILL help ur vocab a lot. QuasiSparklz is it really tat good? |
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