Aldnoah.Zero - Character Discussion - Princess Asseylum Vers Allusia

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

If Asseylum lives it would be no brainer she is going to try to kill Slaine.

The whole princess missing may be a misdirection. If Slaine did not take her and the UEF took her then she could be doing so to keep a low profile. Why?

She is a walking target.

In her perspective everybody she knew before she came to Earth except little Ed betrayed her.

She is jaded by all the death she blames herself for. She learns from Inaho that hatred isn't the main motivator of her people but greed. To stop them she must make it that it costs too much for them to continue the war.

Except she'd be wrong, being around Inaho has sadly isolated her from the plot progression. As she is Asseylum has no idea why her people are fighting she only has Inaho's baseless conjecture. If Slaine doesn't destroy this idea, perhaps she'll find out another way, either way Asseylum's in for shock because she knew nothing about her own people.

[Wandering Soul]

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

I'll say this much. If Asseylum lives this time, nothing on Earth will get me to believe she will ever die again. Three times they've tried to kill her and if she doesn't stay dead this time, I don't care if someone comes along with an ax and lops her head off right then and there and the head rolls down the street with blood gushing, I still won't believe it.

Cue the scene is S2 where the princess is put threw a Rasputin death including getting poisoned, shot, stabbed, and decapitated and no one in the fanbase believes she is dead

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by wisteria233

Except she'd be wrong, being around Inaho has sadly isolated her from the plot progression. As she is Asseylum has no idea why her people are fighting she only has Inaho's baseless conjecture. If Slaine doesn't destroy this idea, perhaps she'll find out another way, either way Asseylum's in for shock because she knew nothing about her own people.

Except she does knows why. She heard it from the Rayet and Sazzbaum himself.

Rayet told her the reason why her father tried to kill her and was killed to keep silent. Sazzbaum confirmed what Inaho said it is about resources but also confirmed what Rayet said, the feudal system created by her family warped Martian psychology for both nobles and commoners.

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Except she does knows why. She heard it from the Rayet and Sazzbaum himself.

Rayet told her the reason why her father tried to kill her and was killed to keep silent. Sazzbaum confirmed what Inaho said it is about resources but also confirmed what Rayet said, the feudal system created by her family warped Martian psychology for both nobles and commoners.

Which only tells her that she and her family were the problem to begin with. Again that's not helping your argument. She still doesn't know that her people are struggling, and it may or may not be the fault of her family.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by wisteria233

Which only tells her that she and her family were the problem to begin with. Again that's not helping your argument. She still doesn't know that her people are struggling, and it may or may not be the fault of her family.

You're funny not paying attention to the episode itself. Having encountered Rayet, Sazzbaum and Inaho she knows now what is wrong with Martian society but as a moral person Asseylum could not accept Terran suffering as a result of Martian insecurities.

If war is another form of negotiation Asseylum will make it far too costly for Vers to continue war. As far as she has seen words nor her life have no meaning for her countrymen.

[Thess]

Originally Posted by wisteria233

Except she'd be wrong, being around Inaho has sadly isolated her from the plot progression. As she is Asseylum has no idea why her people are fighting she only has Inaho's baseless conjecture. If Slaine doesn't destroy this idea, perhaps she'll find out another way, either way Asseylum's in for shock because she knew nothing about her own people.

And Saazbaum (who started all) was motivated by hatred not just greed, so Inaho was proved wrong.

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

You're funny not paying attention to the episode itself. Having encountered Rayet, Sazzbaum and Inaho she knows now what is wrong with Martian society but as a moral person Asseylum could not accept Terran suffering as a result of Martian insecurities.

If war is another form of negotiation Asseylum will make it far too costly for Vers to continue war. As far as she has seen words nor her life have no meaning for her countrymen.

And its funny how you completely miss the point, time and again, once again she doesn't know the extent of the suffering of her own people. And worse her family are the cause of that suffering. So of course they don't care for what she's doing it goes against their best interests. They already think that she doesn't have their best interests in mind and if she went all out against them, then she will be met once again with brutal resistance. And just a reminder there are 37 knights each running around annihilating Earth's population. The world isn't simple, it isn't black and white. Her words and her life have no meaning to her country because she has done nothing for them.

[DevilHighDxD]

Originally Posted by Thess

And Saazbaum (who started all) was motivated by hatred not just greed, so Inaho was proved wrong.

"War breaks out even when there no hatred.", hatred is included but just not the sole reason alone. So I just proved you wrong.

[Irenesharda]

Originally Posted by Thess

Slaine could have buried her body. I don't think he wants the Terrans use her genetic code to create weapons.

I didn't think about it, but wouldn't Slaine take Asseylum's body home to Vers? He knows that's her home and his last conversation was one where she talks about how Mars is her home and she misses it already. His first though would be that she'd want to be buried on her home planet, not on a war-torn Earth with knights who all betrayed her. But the question is, can he get to Mars on Tharsis? Or would he have to take someone's castle to get there?

He can present her body to the Emperor to prove that it was the knights that were behind the plot and that princess was not killed in the assassination. The emperor can give him the authority he needs to get men to fight against the traitors of Vers?

[DevilHighDxD]

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

I didn't think about it, but wouldn't Slaine take Asseylum's body home to Vers? He knows that's her home and his last conversation was one where she talks about how Mars is her home and she misses it already. His first though would be that she'd want to be buried on her home planet, not on a war-torn Earth with knights who all betrayed her. But the question is, can he get to Mars on Tharsis? Or would he have to take someone's castle to get there?

He can present her body to the Emperor to prove that it was the knights that were behind the plot and that princess was not killed in the assassination. The emperor can give him the authority he needs to get men to fight against the traitors of Vers?

Saazbaum is still alive, so he will prevent this no matter what. Can't let his plan be ruined when he finally killed Asseylum right?

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by Thess

And Saazbaum (who started all) was motivated by hatred not just greed, so Inaho was proved wrong.

You are really desperate to downplaying Inaho huh?

Inaho just stated there are many reasons for a war to break out. Your selective reading is mind blowing.

[Irenesharda]

Originally Posted by DevilHighDxD

Saazbaum is still alive, so he will prevent this no matter what. Can't let his plan be ruined when he finally killed Asseylum right?

His plan is finished though. He was okay with Slaine killing him, he even wanted him too. And the princess is dead, what does he care where Slaine buries her?

And if Slaine does save Saaz's life, I'm guessing the guy's going to be staying under lock and key now.

It would be interesting if Slaine left him for the Earth Forces? I mean there's not really that much room in Tharsis' cockpit...

[wisteria233]

Princess is MIA so we know she's been moved.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by wisteria233

And its funny how you completely miss the point, time and again, once again she doesn't know the extent of the suffering of her own people.

Repeating like a broken record player. Rayet already told her what is wrong with their society.

But lets have a simple math. A million Martians suffering from an aristocratic system who scoffs at aid sent by Earth versus billions of Terrans whose biosphere is still recovering that is being threatened with slavery and genocide by invaders.

The reason why Martians are suffering is not the Terrans fault but their own pride. Even Sazzbaum is smart enough to recognize it.

[Irenesharda]

Originally Posted by wisteria233

Princess is MIA so we know she's been moved.

That's why I think Slaine has her body, but there might not have been enough room for Saaz also, so he might have taken the count with him, or he might have left him there for the UFE.

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Repeating like a broken record player. Rayet already told her what is wrong with their society.

But lets have a simple math. A million Martians suffering from an aristocratic system who scoffs at aid sent by Earth versus billions of Terrans who biosphere is still recovering that is being threatened with slavery and genocide by invaders.

The reason why Martians are suffering is not the Terrans fault but their own pride. Even Sazzbaum is smart enough to recognize it.

Rayet has never been to Mars. She only told her how they were treated by the knights during that one time.

Most of those Terrans are probably already dead. Also let's ignore the fact that her family is the cause of the conflict in the first place.

And who was it that aimed that negativity towards Earth?

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by wisteria233

Rayet has never been to Mars. She only told her how they were treated by the knights during that one time.

Most of those Terrans are probably already dead. Also let's ignore the fact that her family is the cause of the conflict in the first place.

And who was it that aimed that negativity towards Earth?

Yet Rayet hit it at the head. No doubt her father indoctrinated her that is why she knows how screwed up Mars is. Sazzbaum elaborated it to Slaine. Sazzbaum told his reason for starting the war on open channel for even the princess to hear.

Ignore the fact her family or more precisely her father and grandfather started this war by blaming Earth for all their failings just to keep power?

How can Asseylum ignore billions suffering when she admitted it is all her fault and guilty about the consequences of her decision to come to Earth?

Asseylum knows the Martian motivations now. Fueled by envy within society and envy of Earth.

Asseylum is burdened by the suffering of two worlds but doing the math Martians are a drop in the bucket compared to the people of Earth. Asseylum may come to the conclusion the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few... Or the one.

[wisteria233]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Yet Rayet hit it at the head. No doubt her father indoctrinated her that is why she knows how screwed up Mars is. Sazzbaum elaborated it to Slaine. Sazzbaum told his reason for starting the war on open channel for even the princess to hear.

Hearing something about experiencing something are two separate things.

Ignore the fact her family or more precisely her father and grandfather started this war by blaming Earth for all their failings just to keep power?

Exactly her family is a problem.

How can Asseylum ignore billions suffering when she admitted it is all her fault and guilty about the consequences of her decision to come to Earth?

Most which are probably dead by know, and I didn't say ignore the Earthlings, but she can't ignore her people either, if she does then it'll just justify their hatred toward the royal family.

Asseylum knows the Martian motivations now. Fueled by envy within society and envy of Earth.

Fueled by envy and hatred, directed by her family towards Earth.

Asseylum is burdened by the suffering of two worlds but doing the math Martians are a drop in the bucket compared to the people of Earth. Asseylum may come to the conclusion the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few... Or the one.

Which is why she can't just act, she needs to actually sit down and seriously think about what she needs to do. If she comes to the conclusion that the needs of the few surviving earthlings outweigh the needs of her people, then she'll end up justifying their hatred towards her family. Asselyum can't make any spur of the moment decisions she needs time to gather more information and think, and this time she needs to be careful, she can't just run in guns blazing.

[Death Usagi]

Considering Saazbaum was the one who wounded the princess critically, I doubt Slaine took him.

[Thess]

Originally Posted by Irenesharda

He can present her body to the Emperor to prove that it was the knights that were behind the plot and that princess was not killed in the assassination. The emperor can give him the authority he needs to get men to fight against the traitors of Vers?

This is a good theory: she's dead, wearing a Terran uniform and loaded with Martian bullets.