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James Rye · 2019-11-24, 16:14

How can Labour lose Votes so hard when they aren't even the government responsible for all the shit that has happened the past couple years?

Guardian Enzo · 2019-11-24, 17:49

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Originally Posted by James Rye

How can Labour lose Votes so hard when they aren't even the government responsible for all the shit that has happened the past couple years?

Because they have the most unpopular leader in the history of British polling. Because while the Tories are consolidating the Leave vote, Labour’s refusal to commit to Remain has splintered that vote. Because Corbyn believes he can be neutral (not that there’s any doubt that he’s a Brexiteer) on the most important issue facing the UK in a generation.

DracoS · 2019-11-24, 20:01

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Originally Posted by James Rye

How can Labour lose Votes so hard when they aren't even the government responsible for all the shit that has happened the past couple years?

There policy on Brexit being clear as mud proberly part of it. Corbyn himself doesn't seem to create much confadence either.

kari-no-sugata II · 2019-11-25, 11:41

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Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

Because they have the most unpopular leader in the history of British polling.

Indeed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leader...#Jeremy_Corbyn

20% approval. 65% disapproval.

It's not like Boris is Mr Popular either but he's way more popular than Corbyn.

Guardian Enzo · 2019-11-25, 16:57

The British left's institutional anti-Semitism that Milne and Murphy have poured gasoline on hasn't helped either.

James Rye · 2019-11-29, 04:24

Gotta say the Ice sculptures on Channel 4 were a funny idea.^^

James Rye · 2019-12-12, 17:21

Con 368 - Lab 191

Corbyn is in the freaking opposition! How can he lose against a government that runs for over ten years and is lead by a lying clown!?

Well, this projection might ofc still be wrong but the difference is so stark that the Tories got it in the bag even if the projection was wrong by a couple dozen MPs.

Also SNP expected to get 55 out of 59 Scottish seats? Wow. If that happens and Boris stays leader then Scotland will get more and more pushed (by Boris) and pulled (by SNP) to leave the UK. And if that happens we can hardly call it the UK anymore.

ramlaen · 2019-12-12, 18:19

Whew laddies 368, Boris has his mandate.

kari-no-sugata II · 2019-12-12, 19:19

Going to be interesting to see how Boris runs things now. Will he push hard to consolidate his (apparent) landslide victory into something more permanent or will he play to the traditional Tory base? I doubt he's dumb enough to do the latter, even if he makes a good impression of a buffoon.

Meanwhile, now that Brexit is basically a done deal, how much of a dog's breakfast is it going to be in practice?

Arabesque · 2019-12-12, 20:18

Well then, here we are.

Hard Brexit it is.

SNP also won almost every seat in Scotland. So Indy2ref is happening as well this time.

In any case, now the UK can move the hell on from the clown show, and the EU can finally make plans for what its going to do in the future.

James Rye · 2019-12-12, 20:50

There is no way Johnson does a hard Brexit when he got "a deal in the oven". Though given what his deal includes it is just one step short of a hard Brexit. And there is still no way they can get a "good trade deal" in 11 months with the 3rd rate staff they got when other bigger and better prepared countries talked with the EU for 3-5 years for trade deals.

Man, Labour lost at all fronts, even at places where they never lost before. You'd think the voter wanted to punish Labour and not the Tories for the madness of the past 3 years not forgetting the austerity of the 6 years before those years.

Arabesque · 2019-12-12, 21:39

I guess I should have clarified I meant by "Hard Brexit" that "one step short of a Maximum Brexit" rather than the worst possible crash out.

And yeah, aside from Boris getting his mandate now, getting a good trade deal of any type isn't happening anyways.

Labour's result was ... expected. I didn't have much faith in this Labour to actually win any election at this stage, and I wasn't really thinking they were about to change at this stage either. The manner that Labour handled the campaigning was really awful, and this result is to be expected.

SNP really is the biggest winner here, since they are getting what they want out of this. And the EU I suppose.

RIP N. Ireland, about to go the way of Gibraltar.

Sheba · 2019-12-12, 22:37

Either Corbin have come to his senses, either the party decided to can him. In any case, good riddance

https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...27926520090626

MCAL · 2019-12-12, 23:06

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...for-grim-night

And Jo Swinson loses her seat.

Toukairin · 2019-12-13, 01:25

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Originally Posted by Sheba

Either Corbin have come to his senses, either the party decided to can him. In any case, good riddance

https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...27926520090626

About damn time and way overdue.

F*** off, you outdated tosser!

EDIT: the next Labour leader will have to be extremely aggressive against the conservative media while showing clearer and more inspiring positions.

Key Board · 2019-12-13, 03:50

“There is a mandate now to offer the people of Scotland the choice over our own future,”
“Boris Johnson may have a mandate to take England out of the European Union.
He emphatically does not have a mandate to take Scotland out of the European Union. Scotland must have a choice over our own future.”

Sturgeon told Sky News.

https://t.co/4Fi3TioeTW

No surprise here. For comparison SNP won 80% of Scotland's votes.

I suspect a possible Irish border will have consequences as well.

Anh_Minh · 2019-12-13, 05:46

I wonder if it'll come down to BoJo (or some future successor) sending troops to Scotland to get them to stop asking for independence?

kari-no-sugata II · 2019-12-13, 07:53

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Originally Posted by Key Board

No surprise here. For comparison SNP won 80% of Scotland's votes.

Uh, nope. 45% of votes. 48 of 59 constituencies (81%).

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I wonder if it'll come down to BoJo (or some future successor) sending troops to Scotland to get them to stop asking for independence?

I very much doubt something like that would happen.

James Rye · 2019-12-13, 10:16

Yeah, it won't happen. Johnson will just refuse to give Scotland a 2nd Indyref which will push more scots voting SNP because it clearly shows that Scotland is not treated as an equal when having a different opinion. After all they do represent 48 our of 59 constituencies, Johnson saying "fuck you" to that is a real blow to Scottish voter opinions. Not that he cares about that after those loses up there.
But sooner or later it will come down that there gonna have to be another indy because most people in scotland don't like Brexit, they don't like Johnson and they don't like the Tories, so the Union they are in is ruled and heading into a direction against their will. That's not helpful for the Union's future because sooner or later it shows this isn't an Union but England leading the other three countries however it wants. In other words Scotland, Wales and NI are just vassals whereas England is the only "real country" that truly matters in the Union.

Heck, even the Wales Nationalists had an increase in their vote share.
Shame about the Libdems but they behaved stupidly, so they earned it. Raised up to 11+% after 7,4% last time in voteshares yet lost one MP from 12 to 11. I really don't get this stupid system the UK got for voting or why British people are content with it.

DracoS · 2019-12-13, 10:21

Well it seems the people decided they want out of the EU. The fact Jo Swinson and all the Change UK MPs lost is very telling.

2019-11-24, 16:14	Link #1341
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	How can Labour lose Votes so hard when they aren't even the government responsible for all the shit that has happened the past couple years? __________________

2019-11-29, 04:24	Link #1346
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	Gotta say the Ice sculptures on Channel 4 were a funny idea.^^ __________________

2019-12-12, 17:21	Link #1347
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	Con 368 - Lab 191 Corbyn is in the freaking opposition! How can he lose against a government that runs for over ten years and is lead by a lying clown!? Well, this projection might ofc still be wrong but the difference is so stark that the Tories got it in the bag even if the projection was wrong by a couple dozen MPs. Also SNP expected to get 55 out of 59 Scottish seats? Wow. If that happens and Boris stays leader then Scotland will get more and more pushed (by Boris) and pulled (by SNP) to leave the UK. And if that happens we can hardly call it the UK anymore. __________________

2019-12-12, 20:18	Link #1350
Arabesque Licensed Hunter-a-holic Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: United Kingdom Age: 35	Well then, here we are. Hard Brexit it is. SNP also won almost every seat in Scotland. So Indy2ref is happening as well this time. In any case, now the UK can move the hell on from the clown show, and the EU can finally make plans for what its going to do in the future. __________________

2019-12-12, 20:50	Link #1351
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	There is no way Johnson does a hard Brexit when he got "a deal in the oven". Though given what his deal includes it is just one step short of a hard Brexit. And there is still no way they can get a "good trade deal" in 11 months with the 3rd rate staff they got when other bigger and better prepared countries talked with the EU for 3-5 years for trade deals. Man, Labour lost at all fronts, even at places where they never lost before. You'd think the voter wanted to punish Labour and not the Tories for the madness of the past 3 years not forgetting the austerity of the 6 years before those years. __________________

View Poll Results: Should the British Remain or Leave the EU.
Remain	24	55.81%
Leave	19	44.19%
Voters: 43. You may not vote on this poll

2019-12-12, 18:19	Link #1348
ramlaen Senior Member Join Date: May 2006	Whew laddies 368, Boris has his mandate.

2019-12-12, 19:19	Link #1349
kari-no-sugata II Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015	Going to be interesting to see how Boris runs things now. Will he push hard to consolidate his (apparent) landslide victory into something more permanent or will he play to the traditional Tory base? I doubt he's dumb enough to do the latter, even if he makes a good impression of a buffoon. Meanwhile, now that Brexit is basically a done deal, how much of a dog's breakfast is it going to be in practice?

2019-12-12, 21:39	Link #1352
Arabesque Licensed Hunter-a-holic Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: United Kingdom Age: 35	I guess I should have clarified I meant by "Hard Brexit" that "one step short of a Maximum Brexit" rather than the worst possible crash out. And yeah, aside from Boris getting his mandate now, getting a good trade deal of any type isn't happening anyways. Labour's result was ... expected. I didn't have much faith in this Labour to actually win any election at this stage, and I wasn't really thinking they were about to change at this stage either. The manner that Labour handled the campaigning was really awful, and this result is to be expected. SNP really is the biggest winner here, since they are getting what they want out of this. And the EU I suppose. RIP N. Ireland, about to go the way of Gibraltar. __________________

2019-12-12, 22:37	Link #1353
Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	Either Corbin have come to his senses, either the party decided to can him. In any case, good riddance https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...27926520090626 __________________

2019-12-12, 23:06	Link #1354
MCAL Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012	https://www.theguardian.com/politics...for-grim-night And Jo Swinson loses her seat.

2019-12-13, 03:50	Link #1356
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	“There is a mandate now to offer the people of Scotland the choice over our own future,” “Boris Johnson may have a mandate to take England out of the European Union. He emphatically does not have a mandate to take Scotland out of the European Union. Scotland must have a choice over our own future.” Sturgeon told Sky News. https://t.co/4Fi3TioeTW No surprise here. For comparison SNP won 80% of Scotland's votes. I suspect a possible Irish border will have consequences as well. __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell Last edited by Key Board; 2019-12-13 at 04:00.

2019-12-13, 05:46	Link #1357
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	I wonder if it'll come down to BoJo (or some future successor) sending troops to Scotland to get them to stop asking for independence?

2019-12-13, 10:16	Link #1359
James Rye Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Germany	Yeah, it won't happen. Johnson will just refuse to give Scotland a 2nd Indyref which will push more scots voting SNP because it clearly shows that Scotland is not treated as an equal when having a different opinion. After all they do represent 48 our of 59 constituencies, Johnson saying "fuck you" to that is a real blow to Scottish voter opinions. Not that he cares about that after those loses up there. But sooner or later it will come down that there gonna have to be another indy because most people in scotland don't like Brexit, they don't like Johnson and they don't like the Tories, so the Union they are in is ruled and heading into a direction against their will. That's not helpful for the Union's future because sooner or later it shows this isn't an Union but England leading the other three countries however it wants. In other words Scotland, Wales and NI are just vassals whereas England is the only "real country" that truly matters in the Union. Heck, even the Wales Nationalists had an increase in their vote share. Shame about the Libdems but they behaved stupidly, so they earned it. Raised up to 11+% after 7,4% last time in voteshares yet lost one MP from 12 to 11. I really don't get this stupid system the UK got for voting or why British people are content with it. __________________

2019-12-13, 10:21	Link #1360
DracoS Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2017	Well it seems the people decided they want out of the EU. The fact Jo Swinson and all the Change UK MPs lost is very telling.