2006-02-02, 20:39 | Link #21 |
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Programming data doesn't make you a math whiz. There's a difference between being a programmer and a mathematician. Including when the MS you are in should at least record some data for future usage. And the very notion that every grunt should be easily taken down based on sort of bull "average" still is a bit strange when in terms of reality one pilot can't be exactly the same as another with there should be those with performance beyond that of a simply an average. But again grunts are basically made faceless fleshies not possessing any thought nor semblance of common sense in terms of combat tactics in GSD.
So it remains that Kira wasn't given those programming skills of his to make it seem like there was some depth to combat and such when it all simply still results to one sided bouts. Funny how the bulk of the time all we are given when it comes to characters preparing for combat in GSD is simply a seemingly given image of them just "winging it" rather than trying to come up with a plan or squad formation ahead of time. Especially when after Shinn and Rey showed themselves to be willing to do some thinking and review of the enemy to gain victory that this part of their character is thrown out when doing so in the past has worked out in their favor. |
2006-02-03, 01:50 | Link #22 | |
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In anycase, programming an aim bot is actually A LOT more easier/feasible then changing a running OS in REAL TIME (without making some part of your gundam halt or explode...) Actually, it is not that difficult consider similar program such as missle guidance system that track and follow down heat source already exist... the few things that Kira need to know is the current location, velocity and acceleration of the target, and update it as frequent as possible.. at which point it's only a matter of how smart are you to make your algorithm fast enough to re-calculate each target as many times as possible w/o compromising with system resources.... By the way, my school's computer science program is actually under the Math Faculty. You'd be suprise how similar Computer Science is to Math at the theoritical level... |
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2006-02-04, 09:50 | Link #24 |
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Model building is as much statistics as it is maths but its more stats because its rarely a perfect model.. And isn't the businessweek extract nothing more than something on data mining? A statistical method? Destiny Plan doesn't bahave the same way since it mines then determines what's best for the individual rather than predicts what is best.
And Destiny Plan is like some country invading another and say look my culture is superior... So you must follow it... Period... And history is always written by the victorious. Period.... Whather Destiny Plan would have actually benefitted everyone depends on your interpretation of best. If everything is in perfect order and harmony and society functions like a well oiled machine, it would have been great for humankind. Less pollution, less wastage, more efficiency, may do away with currency, push the right people to the right jod. But at the expense of certain individuals freedom to choice. Some might argue it'll end up making a better society and so the total benefits outweigh the cost. And so its the second best course of action since first best doesn't exist. So its actually good Destiny Plan.. On the other hand, imposing your views and desires on other people forcefully is just wrong. I suppose that's why they called it Freedom Gundam... Fighting to preserve it. |
2006-02-04, 10:15 | Link #25 |
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BTW, maths is part of programming... Its not neccessarily top priority just a way of developing one's mind so as to accept certain principles or ordering which is paramount in maths. Maths works in steps, it is ordered. There's always a procedure and/ or method to a problem. THere may be multiple solutions but there is one and its always structured. Each solution has its own steps. Its the mahematician's role to find the best and most efficient solution. Programmers need to behave like that.. They can't go chaotic and just write a prgram without direction or order. THey need to find the most efficient codes.. SOmething maths teach them..
Anyway almost all course these days require maths.. The best learning institutions in the world requires their students to do maths be it for social sciences, comp science, IT, economics, marketing, commerce even pshycology... That's the new world... Deterministic, ordered and structured.. Quantitive dominates qualitiative results. Kira is a good programmer.. That doesn't make him a good mathematician... The best mathematician in the world is in? The education business, professors, PHD, lecturers, etc... and... code breakers.... |
2006-02-04, 23:04 | Link #26 |
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refering back to the comment about "destiny plan zone"....
because it wouldn't work. this is one of those "all or nothing" plan. either every one is the same or every one is different. just like communism could have possibly worked if the whole world was communist, other wise there were all these greedy little peeves who tried to escape to the place where they had a choice.. now, had they not had a choice, they probably would've tried to learn to live with it. if you had no where to escape to, you wouldn't try. if you had no idea that escape was possible, you wouldn't try. there would be no "the grass is always greener on the other side of the road" phenomenon, because there simply wouldn't be an "other side". and people would adapt. besides, if durandal claimed that he could figure out the best possible future through genetic make-up (the good old nature vs. nurture argument), tell me something: how is ensuring a better future for someone who is most fitted to it be considered bad? how is making sure that a child has 100% chance of growing up and working on a job they enjoy with a stable income be considered bad? really, people just hear "pre-determined job" and they beging to think of the caste system. caste and destiny plan isn't the same. they're different. Destiny Plan |
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You said that it can't work on a small scale, which means it has never been tested. And you want world-wide control to make the plan work, but how can you prove the peace comes from the Destiny Plan instead of the world-wide control? If people had no choice, there won't be wars period. Destiny Plan would be absolutely useless because world peace would be obtained BEFORE Destiny Plan even starts. So what's the difference between Destiny Plan, and a plan where I conquer the world and rule it with an iron fist? In both cases there is world peace, and in both cases the people of the world have no choice and is threatened with death for disobedience. What's wrong with Me ruling the world? Peace will spread across the land after all, and like Destiny Plan I won't destroy nations unless they really piss me off, by trying to destroy world peace... (i.e. me.) ######### Do you want to know something about human nature? We like to have choice, even if we have to charge through machine gun fire to get it. My Kingdom of Peace would last as long as the Destiny Plan, which is about two years. People would NOT want to be told what to do with their lives. One more thing. Quote:
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2006-02-05, 16:27 | Link #29 |
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ah... but there never was time in written and recorded history where a tyrant ruled ALL of humanity.... which is why, none of those cases could be argued, because, you see, people did have a choice, and did have "the other side of the road" to gape at. so they had a model of what they wanted but didn't have, which allowed them to think that something could be done to fix the situation they're in.
as i said, the destiny plan, just like communism, COULDN'T work on a smaller scale. because people see the forbidden fruit out side the border and begin preaching of how they need to aquire it. if there is no "outside the border" then how could they possibly have grounds to preach on? as for humans having a choice.... well, i'd go with bullet and knife trying to make it so that some of us wouldn't have a choice, because some of us clearly do not deserve that right. |
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There would still be "the grass is always greener on the other side" effect, except this time the other side exist in the people's mind/ideals. Destiny plan might strip you of choice, but it still have not strip you of the power to think/imagine/feel/and evision. Quote:
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Did you remember what was the point of Destiny Plan? To bring Peace? Or to enforce your own ideals on others?
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2006-02-05, 20:22 | Link #32 | |
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to bring peace. i'm just referring to what you said, when you mentioned that people would go out of their way to protect their freedom of choice. i'm by no means saying the Destiny Plan is the best idea every and that it would work. the reality is, it wouldn't work, just like all the other forms of government, because when applied to the moronic masses of the human beings, which only strive to benefit themselves, the become used as tools. as tools for people to line their nests. i'm just saying that It is completely illogical to consider Durandal to be evil simply because he came up with a new idea of a government. hurrah, so are the greeks evil now for coming up with democracy? |
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2006-02-05, 23:45 | Link #33 | |
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It's much like Bush Adminstration proposing for a bill for government agency to have the power to tap into any phoneline of private homes in the name of "war against terrorism"... in reality it's just another way for the government to invade our privacy. If there's something that Democracy has taught us, it's that a government body should not just rule its people, it should SERVE them. |
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2006-02-06, 00:01 | Link #34 |
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So do you think that in GS3 the enemy side will be called FRACTIONS with their forces led by their dual mobile suits the CALCULUS and the ALGEBRA? Instead of going SEED, their pilots will go MATH which is in fact the next NEXT step in evolution?
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2006-02-06, 03:53 | Link #35 | |
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I can see it now... "Gundam! It's fun to watch and educational at the same time!" |
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