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[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoshi

All the more reason for them to link the attack on the professors on the US and anyone else who wants the program dismantled. It really could've been anyone and Iran's biggest enemy right now is the US and Israel.

Iranian opposition groups (Like Jundalla) have been pretty active as of late.
just recently, they kidnapped another nuclear scientist.

the low tech level of the attack, suggests that it could be them.
after all, using explosives indicates that you want to make a very loud statement.
western intel agencies (who risk starting a war) tend to be more discrete about it.

Originally Posted by ganbaru

Is there anyone ( outside Iran of course) than want Iran to have Nuclear weapon ? (and please don't say Republican, for getting a reason to bomb them )

Syria would profit from having its patron become a nuclear power.
the various proxy groups (Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic jihad) would also profit.
generally speaking though, most people understand that an openly nuclear state in the middle east changes things forever.
and not in a good way.

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

Iranian opposition groups (Like Jundalla) have been pretty active as of late.
just recently, they kidnapped another nuclear scientist.

the low tech level of the attack, suggests that it could be them.
after all, using explosives indicates that you want to make a very loud statement.
western intel agencies (who risk starting a war) tend to be more discrete about it.

That would make sense if there was evidence that the professors were in fact involved in any nuclear program. The article itself states that it isn't known if this is true.

The report did not say whether the two university teachers were directly involved in the country's highly controversial nuclear program.

Because of this, I feel that the Iranian government are being quick to grab an excuse to blame someone and ask for trouble. It really could've been anyone, and the professors may well have been attacked by students who knew how to construct bombs, and they can be easy to make. What you're saying could also be right, but there's just not enough indication that it could've been them except the word of the victim. There's just not enough proof to back that claim just yet however.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoshi

That would make sense if there was evidence that the professors were in fact involved in any nuclear program. The article itself states that it isn't known if this is true.



Because of this, I feel that the Iranian government are being quick to grab an excuse to blame someone and ask for trouble. It really could've been anyone, and the professors may well have been attacked by students who knew how to construct bombs, and they can be easy to make. What you're saying could also be right, but there's just not enough indication that it could've been them except the word of the victim. There's just not enough proof to back that claim just yet however.

like i said.
Iran has "Blame Israel" as a hotkey. (Ctrl F.U)
its the default response to anything bad that happens ever.
and its especially useful when no other clues are available.

[ganbaru]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

like i said.
Iran has "Blame Israel" as a hotkey. (Ctrl F.U)
its the default response to anything bad that happens ever.
and its especially useful when no other clues are available.

But wouldn't they use gun insted of bomb?

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by ganbaru

But wouldn't they use gun insted of bomb?

Guns are more expensive. You can produce explosives in your own backyard given that you have the right things for it, and those materials are much cheaper to obtain compared to firearms.

[ganbaru]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoshi

Guns are more expensive. You can produce explosives in your own backyard given that you have the right things for it, and those materials are much cheaper to obtain compared to firearms.

... which would fit amateur, but I was talking about Israel.

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by ganbaru

... which would fit amateur, but I was talking about Israel.

Well, if it really was Israel, they would want to make a public show out of the attack, as bladeofdarkness mentioned. It suits their style on top of everything else.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoshi

Well, if it really was Israel, they would want to make a public show out of the attack, as bladeofdarkness mentioned. It suits their style on top of everything else.

actually, if it was Mossad, it would likely be more discreet.
using explosives is great when the target is someone who very clearly has it coming (see, Imad murniya, the Munich massacre planers, etc).
in those cases, you WANT to make a show of it.

but if the target is a civilian who just happens to work for the wrong guy, the rules change.
killing civilians is generally bad press.
there is no shortage of "natural" ways in which people can find their deaths (car crushes, heart attacks, people just disappearing, etc).
choosing a method like explosives makes it clear that it was murder.
and that the killer knew what they were doing (I.e, it wasn't a robbery gone bad)

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

actually, if it was Mossad, it would likely be more discreet.
using explosives is great when the target is someone who very clearly has it coming (see, Imad murniya, the Munich massacre planers, etc).
in those cases, you WANT to make a show of it.

but if the target is a civilian who just happens to work for the wrong guy, the rules change.
killing civilians is generally bad press.
there is no shortage of "natural" ways in which people can find their deaths (car crushes, heart attacks, people just disappearing, etc).
choosing a method like explosives makes it clear that it was murder.
and that the killer knew what they were doing (I.e, it wasn't a robbery gone bad)

That's generally the point I'm trying to make. The attack was too unrefined for the reasons you said, so I highly doubt it was any intelligence agency, either from Israel, the US or what have you. It was more likely to be either insurgents from Iran, internally, what have you, or unsatisfied students. Considering the hit and run tactic, I find it more likely to be the latter but I could be wrong.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoshi

That's generally the point I'm trying to make. The attack was too unrefined for the reasons you said, so I highly doubt it was any intelligence agency, either from Israel, the US or what have you. It was more likely to be either insurgents from Israel, internally, what have you, or unsatisfied students.

wait... what ?
israel doesn't have insurgents.
and israel doesn't have a border with Iran for insurgents to operate out of.
hell, israel doesn't even have a border with anyone who DOES have a border with iran.

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

wait... what ?
israel doesn't have insurgents.
and israel doesn't have a border with Iran for insurgents to operate out of.
hell, israel doesn't even have a border with anyone who DOES have a border with iran.

Oh, sorry about that, I meant to write Iran there, not Israel

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoshi

Oh, sorry about that, I meant to write Iran there, not Israel

s'all right

[ganbaru]

Afghan police officer kills 6 NATO troops
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1816952/

[Noctis Lucis]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Great! First Aunt Marge is the "Iron Lady", then now Aunt Angie is the "Teflon Lady"!

So after which metal what will the next female prime minister be named?

It will be Julia Gillard of Australia. Now, it needs to be reddish-brown, like her hair. Does remind one of Ennis from Baccano!. I know. Copper Lady!

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by ganbaru

But wouldn't they use gun insted of bomb?

You have to hide the gun after shooting that asshole. Besides having a bomb means you can detonate it from a distance where nobody knows. You can even "greyout" in a crowd and detonate it.

[ganbaru]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

You have to hide the gun after shooting that asshole. Besides having a bomb means you can detonate it from a distance where nobody knows. You can even "greyout" in a crowd and detonate it.

Or hidding the fact than you targeted one by killing many, shifting the focus of the investigation after the fact ?

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by ganbaru

Afghan police officer kills 6 NATO troops
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1816952/

So Afghan is trying to tell the NATO troops to get away from them basically?

[Jinto]

Originally Posted by Hooves

So Afghan is trying to tell the NATO troops to get away from them basically?

No, its more like someone paid that afghan police officer more money than NATO or the afghan government. Almost every valley has its own war lord, you can have good relations with a war lord in the valley where you are stationed, and 50km away you are facing a war lord who is hostile to you (maybe covered - maybe because you destroyed his precious poppies). Anyway, what I wanted to say is, that Afghanistan is split into myriads of factions. So, to speak of a unified afghan will/message is a naiv assumption at best.

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by Jinto

No, its more like someone paid that afghan police officer more money than NATO or the afghan government. Almost every valley has its own war lord, you can have good relations with a war lord in the valley where you are stationed, and 50km away you are facing a war lord who is hostile to you (maybe covered - maybe because you destroyed his precious poppies). Anyway, what I wanted to say is, that Afghanistan is split into myriads of factions. So, to speak of a unified afghan will/message is a naiv assumption at best.

Oh, so that explains things more clearly, especially with trying to find out the identity of the person who shot the 6 soldiers. Thank you for the info Jinto

[flying ^]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

It really is kind of irrational how Assange is publicizing how he's making these massive leaks...but he leaks so much stuff that actually dramatic revelations are overshadowed under the mundane or obvious.

this latest round of leaks actually kinda blows up in the face of ASSange.
it is widely believed he released these latest documents to try and prevent what he thinks is an impending military action against iran by the US by showing how the US is being driven by the israelis to act. the leaks instead show that the a-rab countries are the ones that are by far the largest group trying to get the US to take immediate action and are more threatened by the prospect of a nuclear armed iran and forcing a nuclear arms race than the israelis are. the leaks hav also showed that iran has no intent on negotiating. if anything, these leaks give more incentive to support military action to stop iran from getting nuclear weapons and that the a-rabs (except lebenon and syria) would support the US 100%, heck they'd even let israel fly through their airspace if israelis were going to bomb the nuclear facilities.