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Oojima's reaction to Chisato in the bath scene struck me as being very similar to how a teenage guy would react to his teenage sister wanting to share a bath with him (presuming no incestuous feelings on the guy's part). The Westermack Effect doesn't mean that you have no reaction to a sexually charged situation occurring between you and someone who is (or is like) a sibling to you. Actually, the Westermack Effect is likely to cause a person in such a situation to feel decidedly uncomfortable, and that's precisely how Oojima came across to me in the bath scene that he shared with Chisato. But it came across as just uncomfortable to me, not particularly aroused (here's where the lack of blushing and nosebleeding is telling to me). Now, if not for Oojima's extremely smooth rejection of Chisato in this episode (as well as his quick and actually pretty smart response to Hazuki's confession), I'd be more willing to chalk that discomfort up to just standard harem anime male lead nervousness over anything and everything related to romantic love and sex. But given how smoothly Oojima handled that this episode, I'm inclined to think that the nervousness he displayed when Chisato went into the bath with him is due to how he just doesn't see Chisato that way, and so the bath situation was discomforting to him (for much the same reason that most teenage/adult guys would feel uncomfortable bathing naked in a bath with a teenage/adult sister). Quote:
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Not everybody who watches shows with a harem anime element to it are fans of actual harems. For some of us, it's the romantic conflict that we enjoy watching and speculating on. A harem end would make all of that conflict seem pointless to me, much like how an inconclusive ambiguous end does. That's a big part of the reason why I dislike both of those types of ends.
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2012-09-01, 22:44 | Link #906 |
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The appeal of Michiru (at least for me, as an anime-only guy) doesn't lie in her words as much as her actions. Getting herself tangled up in the stickers, her half-hearted "Banzai!", and her attempts at persuading a lizard to vote for Yuuki with a Yaoi Stick are all very cute. They say a lot about her personality without her having to speak a word.
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2012-09-01, 22:48 | Link #907 | |
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To be clear, I'm not necessarily saying that his choosing Satsuki is an unlikely solution. It certainly makes sense and is well-established in the narrative (as I said before, the show's plot has been tracking Yuuki's building relationship with Satsuki, and contrasting that with his increasing distance from Chisato). Speaking purely personally for a second, I think that would actually be my preferred ending to the story, as I'm quite fond of Satsuki. But I can't see the rejection as "cleanly" as you see it because there are still too many loose ends to clean up. I honestly see both routes as still possible and justifiable.
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2012-09-01, 23:01 | Link #908 | ||
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Really, my most hated end is the ambiguous, inconclusive one. I can't stand that, lol. Quote:
I also should be clear that I don't think that Oojima/Chisato isn't possible. I could imagine Chisato finding a way to change how Oojima views her. It's just that right now, I think he does see her as almost like a sister to him. The narrative could overcome that, but it's running out of time. The next episode or two will definitely be key there, I think. If Chisato turns things around, I think we'll see at least the start of that next episode. Edit: If I was going with percentage-based predictions, my percentages right now would be... Oojima/Satsuki End - 50% chance. Oojima/Chisato End - 25% chance. Oojima/Isara End - 10% chance. Oojima/Mifuyu End -10% chance. Oojima/anybody else End - 5% chance (basically, if the anime decides to troll us, or throw a real curve-ball with Oojima/Hazuki ).
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2012-09-01, 23:22 | Link #909 | |
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but the two girls i like most in this series are mifuyu (cause she has a crush on oojima and he has a lil one on her and thats just cute but she wont do anything because of chisato) and satsuki (she's good looking and it seems theyre starting to like eachother)
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2012-09-02, 01:32 | Link #912 |
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Don't see how this would consider this a curveball. She literally has some of the most interesting conflict going on with him compared to the other girls. IMHO, other than Satsuki and Chisato, none of the others have progressed as far as Hazuki has.
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Also, like you wrote, Hazuki has actually progressed farther with Oojima than everybody except Satsuki and Chisato. The reason why it would be a curveball (and also why Pen is right about how it would be really trying something new) is due to how Hazuki is not one of the main heroines in the source material. In other words, she's not one of the girls with her own romance route with the male lead. That's not a big deal to an anime-only viewer like myself, but I can see how it would make game fans go "Woah". It really would be something else for an anime to not only have the adult woman win over the teenaged male lead, but also for a character who wasn't even a main heroine in the game to be the girl that the teenaged male lead ends up with.
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2012-09-02, 02:21 | Link #914 |
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Hazuki isn't a MILF - she's a BSILF at most. A six year age-difference is a lot, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility a 23 year-old and 17 year-old could fall in love and succeed as a couple - it's certainly happened before. I'd be fine with a Hazuki end, but I don't see a chance of it happening, though.
Also, as regards Chisato and the bath scene... I don't want to go too far out on a limb here, but I don't think too much should be read into the fact that a 17 year-old guy reacted physically when a 17 year-old girl climbed into the bath and embraced him. He may have romantic feelings for her and he may not, but you can't read anything into that - any kid that age is going to react in that situation, whether he's in love with the girl or not.
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2012-09-02, 02:48 | Link #916 |
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Guys, all I meant by the "MILF" reference was "Adult woman living an adult life". There's no need to be pedantic here, and I certainly didn't intend any loaded or insulting meaning by "MILF" as I was simply using it as a convenient shorthand. Also, I don't know what "BSILF" even means, so that's why I didn't go with that term.
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(Well, that and I have to say, I personally never really liked Hazuki at all... so... )
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2012-09-02, 03:06 | Link #918 | |
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I would avoid using MILF as a generic term for "older woman" because of the nature of the acronym - it has a very particular connotation. Perhaps a good general term to use instead might be "cougar"...
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