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1) Battler receiving Kinzo's ring 2) the servants and Nanjo switching sides against Natsuhi 3) someone knowing about the baby of 19 years ago 1) We might force the issue and say that the ring Battler is wearing is false. Eva knows it well so she could have made a copy due to plan X she had. When Battler discovered the gold she changed her plan and handed the ring to Battler. The fact that ShKannon was present when Battler received the ring is a coincidence and the ring is similar enough to the original no one realized is a copy... or maybe was made by the man who made Kinzo's ring... and that in EP 4 conveniently pretended to recognize it as the true ring and not as a copy he made because afraid of being involved in the Rokkenjima incident (this would imply Eva/Ange's ring is a copy...). It's possible but so far the canon didn't bother hinting to something similar... unless you consider Maria acceptiong another plushie as Sakutarou as hint that a copy might be accepted to replace the original. 2) Nanjo falsified his autopsies and Kumasawa and Kanon told the others Genji was dead so they're in with the siblings when previously they were loyal to Natsuhi. The servants can be corrupted, all right, even Our confession confirmed this but I'm not sure if they would switch sides without Yasuda's permission, especially Genji who faked being dead. Also if Yasuda let herself be corrupted she was clearly against Natsuhi... so maybe she wasn't the mastermind but she was part of the plot. 3) This is the hardest. The calls started prior to the arrival of the siblings but there are really few people who knows about the baby so, although isn't completely impossible, is hard to figure the siblings found out. To be more exact the ones who know are: - Kinzo (dead and it's unlikely he talked about it) - Natsuhi (I bet she only told Krauss) - Krauss (who likely didn't talk with his siblings) - Genji, Kumasawa and Nanjo (unlikely they talked about this with the siblings unless they were told by Yasuda) The only way to work through this is to assume that when the siblings researched about Krauss' activities they ended up talking with some relative of the servant that died when the baby fell and that knew that said servant was entrusted a baby. They might have figured since no one heard about the baby he also fell from the cliff and his/her death was kept as a secret. However for their plan to work they need to know: - Natsuhi didn't make sure the baby was dead. - the baby was a boy or either that Natsuhi didn't know the baby's sex. So hum... they could have made a wild guess about the baby's sex assuming that Kinzo wouldn't adopt a female and that Natsuhi was so shocked by that fact that even if she had seen the baby's corpse she would still be tricked. However, though it can work is again a solution that seems weak. Another possibility I had considered is that as a child Battler might have accidentally heard someone, let's say Kumasawa and Genji, talking about the incident. He was/is pretty informal so he might have wandered in the servants side of the house, maybe searching for Shannon or for a hideout in a game of hide and seek and overheard them. Right then he gave no importance to the thing or didn't quite understand what it meant. Then he grew up and then his maternal grandfather, before dying, tells him he's not Asumu's son, though he has no idea who's his mother is. Battler remembers what he had head as a kid, made 2 & 2 and began the phonecalls. This would explain how Battler couldn't say he was Asumu's son and would fit with Battler accusing himself of being TMF19YA as well as Beato thinking Natsuhi really dropped him in EP 6. This however would imply Battler has a vengeful nature, and there's no hint of this... so, as you can see although I can come up with theories about how people might know about the baby... well they don't look convincing enough. Quote:
Basically we're told it means that Lambda is doing with Beato's gameboard something Beato wouldn't do and that's tied to love. Beato's gameboard existed to send a message to her childhood love having the whole tragedy tied to Battler's promise. If you remove that tie you might get a game that's not motivated by love and therefore is 'loveless'. Just speculation though. |
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EDIT: @jjblue To respond to point 1, in the Ep7TP(as far as I remember), there's no mention of the ring, yet we know Eva gets it(and not from Yasuda's corpse). I'd like to think Yasuda leaves the ring(and maybe a letter) in the gold room for whomever solves the epitath(as she can't wait there all day). There's no one else in the gold room besides Erika and Battler as well.
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Not really. Just because Erika was brought into the fold on Natsuhi being a target doesn't mean she was told the truth about Shannon and Kanon. Her attention being entirely focused on bringing Natsuhi down in EP5, means that she neglected the obvious inconsistency about the servants, which blinded her in EP6, even when Battler was deliberately waving it in front of her face.
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...Actually, it seems I've misunderstood the point you were trying to make here. My bad. Quote:
Even so, unless Natsuhi is somehow the mastermind behind the entire Battler-not-returning thing, I can't personally see how it could be that Natsuhi completely ruined her life and trapped her in a dead-end fate. Which is never even implied as far as I can tell. And in fact, it's implied that she never realized that Yasuda was the kid she dropped off a cliff in the first place, so that probably couldn't be used as a motive. What I don't like here is the assumption of "plan X." We have no reason to believe that the ring is fake in the first place. There's just way too many unsupported assumptions here for my liking. Quote:
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I'm not really sure why people are assuming Erika has access to the things she saw in EP5 anyway. If her photographic memory is a result of GM-sanctioned "Detective Authority", it would make sense for her to lose exactly "what she saw" at the time when everyone was gathered together in EP5, during which her attention would have been on the wrong thing (at the time), and now she can't go back to check and verify to see if there was anything she missed because she no longer has the authority to do so.
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I wouldn't do it. That said, I think there is more to it than that. And, I would like to understand Yasuda and her motive. In the end, the reason I want to understand, is just curiosity. Since I'm a big fan of Umineko, and Beato in particular. Even so, I don't really like it when people don't even try to understand things from someone else's perspective just because, at a glance, it goes against their morals. Put simply, if you don't want to understand something, then you can be sure that you never will. |
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There's nothing hinting towards him knowing about it. It's supposed to be a secret, shared only by Genji, Kumasawa, Nanjo and Yasu (and I don't mean the accident, but the fact that the baby survived). How would Battler know about it?
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