2017-01-03, 08:41 | Link #922 | |
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Also, I'm glad to hear that Fab's story was a lie. As I said, the system as he described would be practically designed for diminishing returns, with many recruiters being girls who just don't want to be champions of justice for all eternity or are afraid of the possibility of conflict, and choose girls according to their own values. You'd have weaker girls recruiting and often valuing useless or counterproductive traits, resulting in worse and worse magical girls. The way you describe is far better and I'm glad to hear that the real organization at least has enough sense to only let veterans handle recruitment (even if their checks and controls are weak enough that they'd let through a woman who doesn't even try to hide the fact that the only thing she wants is to bathe in the blood of the strong). |
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2017-01-03, 15:08 | Link #925 |
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No you are not wrong.
It is not just 14 Magical Girls that died. The damages Calamity has caused and people died from it. And to think that is just the small part. Things like that is going to happen again. Which is it makes me crazy. Considering Land of Magic, Island of Magic, City of Magic, State of Magic, Country of Magic, whatever that place is seen as a joke by Snow White and Ripple. Last edited by rladls2121; 2017-01-03 at 15:46. |
2017-01-04, 08:00 | Link #926 | |
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They didn't search for an answer, they didn't try to stop them either. Can such characters be called main villain of this arc? Compared to this, SwimSwim was actually hated, and peoples tried to stop her. Clamberry and FA-B are not "purely evil". They simply acted out of self interest/selfishness and didn't care for the problem it was causing for other. Most criminals IRL have that type of reasons behind what they did, so it's a good thing that some characters in a story are motivated by such banal reasons. SwimSwim isn't overdone. She's what would happen if you give to a child the power to kill easily without being punished. Clamberry is actually hiding it very well. When the news about what she has done spread, lots of magical girls who knew her are surprised that it was Clamberry that was doing such things. Ironically there's a well known battlefreak amongst very powerful magical girls, who is -contrary to Clamberry- obviously NOT allowed to select new magical girls at all. The reaction of peoples knowing both were usually "are you sure it's not Marika who was doing that?" . But while Marika is a battlefreak and troublemaker who doesn't hide her nature at all, she just likes to fight strong opponents, not to kill them, so she would never do that. Peoples hiding their true nature well like Clamberry are far more dangerous usually~.
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2017-01-04, 13:56 | Link #927 | |||
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Please understand, I did enjoy the series. I just feel like causative villains (is this term acceptable to you since you don't like calling the ones ultimately responsible the "real villains"?) like those two are bland and uninteresting, a character type that is rarely used today because they were used too much in the past and still remain overused in stories aimed at younger audiences. As I said, I feel like for a series to last longer than what I saw and remain interesting (to me at least), it has to have incidents where the villain is either a little more complex in motivation or a heck of a lot better at manipulating things to stop people from just offing them. Cranberry and Fab are so straightforward that once you know their plot you can kill them without batting an eyelash. Pure villains like this work far better when they are able to actually find ways to stop their enemy's blade and make them fear the consequences of defeating them. The last guy who caused and ran the whole thing went down in the most pathetic way I could imagine, and I really wish he'd said something that would actually justify Snow White shouting "don't listen to him" rather than pathetic pleas that wouldn't convince anyone older and more sane than Swim-swim. |
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2017-01-06, 10:39 | Link #928 | ||||
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Clamberry even points out the limits of the Land of Magic's reasoning behind such goody two shoes way of selecting, as in, they don't want to create problem for Earth, but in fact since they are creating magical girls they are creating problems anyway, so the reserved way of creating them doesn't really make sense to her. They clearly gives logical reason to do this and point out the lack of logic of NOT doing it like this. The difference between Clamberry /FA-B and lots of villain in fiction is that they are not doing evil things in the name of weird reasons. They are doing it for selfish reasons, and justifying it with arguments afterwards. Like lots of real criminals would do. Quote:
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I just don't agree with what you want of a villain. That being said, there are many different type of villain in this story, not just one type. For example, just someone who needed money for her family being ill, or something, and did the dirty work. Or someone who is killing other out of a twisted ideal about how things should be. And so on. So it's not like the story continue with only one "type" of villain. Just like SwimSwim wasn't the same type of villain than the others. Still not agreeing about Clamberry or FA-B though .
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2017-01-06, 12:57 | Link #929 | |
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Just listen to her character song a bit. Last edited by Spica; 2017-01-06 at 13:30. |
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2017-01-07, 15:54 | Link #931 | |
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2017-01-07, 17:40 | Link #932 |
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She wasn't told to strive to be like ruler. She wants to be a princess herself after being told it was okay for her to be one, and the only princess she knows of is ruler, so she tries to be a new Ruler.
Simply, due to her young age, she keeps encountering problem that she completely doesn't know how to solve, so she keep solving them by killing the source of the problem. There is no such rule as not letting someone see your human form. Ruler advised her to avoid to have your human form being seen indeed, but never said you needed to kill anyone who saw it. What happened is that "ruler wouldn't have left someone see her real form"-> "someone saw mine"-> I kill that someone, problem solved, i'm still like ruler". It's not about right and wrong. She cries because she killed her friend (ironically she practice the writing of the kanji for friend right after that), but at no point the notion of right or wrong is going on here. There's something she wants badly (being a princess) there's only one example she knows of (Ruler) so she copy, and there's only one way to solve any encountered problem she knows of (killing), so she keeps killing anything causing problem, friend or foes.
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2017-01-07, 20:26 | Link #933 | |
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And your interpretation of her choice to kill Tama really doesn't seem to fit what was shown, at least in the anime. She didn't say "Ruler wouldn't have been seen", she said "Ruler told me that a magical girl MUST NOT let her identity be discovered, therefore there was no choice". Those words do not suggest that she acted out of a desire to be like Ruler, but rather that she wanted to continue to follow the rules she'd learned about right and wrong for magical girls. |
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2017-01-07, 21:11 | Link #934 |
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Ruler never EVER persuaded or brainwashed anyone into killing other. Ruler wasn't that type of person to begin with. The whole kill to get rid of the problem is swimswim only. Nemurin only told her that she CAN be a princess too, never that she SHOULD. It's swimswim's desire to be a princess that twisted everything said to her.
the "Ruler would have done it better" has already been said countless time before that passage, this is still the same. She's a kid chasing an twisted image of a deceased person. Ruler would have been horrified seeing what swimswim did there, especially to Tama, but same for TopSpeed and Winterprison for example. A girl at seven doesn't a sense of righteousness for big things like death and the like, sorry.
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2017-01-07, 23:26 | Link #935 |
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Well, seems that only Snow White remained as the survivor of this death game... Just kidding, seems that Ripple is alive after killing Swim-Swim and then destroyed Fav for badmouthing Top Speed! Honestly, Swim-Swim should have known the consequences of her actions instead of becoming the second coming of Cranberry. Glad that the death game is finally over, but I feel that this series needs a sequel! It's still okay to be honest. |
2017-01-08, 00:06 | Link #936 | |
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2017-01-08, 00:58 | Link #937 |
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^ I agree.
Really, imagine there are way worse kinds of people than Fav out there. Other Magical Girl survivors like Snow White and Ripple might be out there. Someday, groups Magical Girls like these two will gather, build an organization and save more people that only Magical Girls can. Solving many problems going around in this world, and someday solve problems in Magic World too. |
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Koyuki is a fine magical girl. And I'm surprised she actually likes to be with Souta, even if he crossdressed - something which some girls might think he is a pervert. Maybe because Koyuki is childhood friends with him, so she has no problems with it. Well, and I think it's nice that she has a protector now.
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